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Posted by tylerman on 01-25-2021 03:33 AM:

Anyone can tell you how.....takes more than talk...anyone can tell you how....not everyone gonna do the work or put the time in. That's the difference....work..real effort..real results

Charlie Miller says he likes his dog

John Maxey won with his

We are starting a a new batch
Here is del Hudson and Larry hall pups

Jason Kathie

Tim guillied

Nice little male of Dylan mills

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Posted by tylerman on 02-07-2021 08:55 PM:

Work work work

Takes more than talk....anyone can tell you how to do what they won't or can't do themselves....quality bred hounds don't take miracles or slick handlers...junk dogs do....men who follow lesser dogs need excuses...their weak because of pride and a need to fill a hole in their soul that will never happen and are almost always narcissistic. They build with weak foundations of lies and it never last of outperforms truth over time.

Stay away from those types...find someone you can trust...if you don't have total trust you need a.New dog man...and your dog needs another trainer.

This one went home a trees in wild in these conditions

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Reps in proper progression...windy...snow...single digits....but they don't learn in the kennel or with me on the couch...you do what you say you will..or you just another talker

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Posted by tylerman on 02-21-2021 01:50 PM:

Ole mason ..storm...hayes has been on fire

You can either look out the window and complain...or go out and get it done....go Dave go...ain't no need in me or the dogs getting fat..Work work work..it ain't easy..takes more than talk...and when the coon ain't movin..you make em move...dogs learn in reps of progressive lessons...not everyone will do what they say..not everyone will do the work...it ain't easy...day and night till they get it right. Feed..water..shovel crap..check beding...hunt..repeat

Posted by tylerman on 03-06-2021 09:55 PM:

This is how you find out if a dog has it in between their ears...daily reps of progressive steps...train..then test...day and night till they get it right.

Ryan Stewart's b&t
Jared thirty walker

Tim Guillied

Del Hudson

Bryan Whitted male

Carmell ivy

Posted by tylerman on 03-13-2021 01:08 AM:

Still doing the work....still taking green dog's and working to get them to tree on their own...Work work work..go Dave go

Day and night till they get it right

We do the work..make the effort to test the dogs

Tim guillied

Dylan mills

D Arin Inman

Del Hudson

Andrew Lancaster

Posted by tylerman on 03-20-2021 09:55 PM:

Don't be fooled or mislead. Good Lord has blessed us but the Lord also expects you to work and be a good steward.

We work hard...they don't all make top prospects..but we put the work in because we promised we would

Day and night

Work em in reps of progression. Short fun lessons with a chance at success every time

Posted by tylerman on 03-31-2021 04:15 AM:

Still working....

Roger Cowell

White ...zinkle from iowa

Willie Dean

Abby Sam Schroeder

Andrew Lancaster

1 day...be back with night time time lessons

Go Dave go...we don't sit on the couch or on the computer and talk about it...it takes work.

Posted by tylerman on 03-31-2021 06:31 AM:

Posted by tylerman on 04-25-2021 09:59 PM:

Anyone can tell ya how...most of them big talkers borrow dogs from someone thats been doing the real work and tell you how to train one....ya..that's easy .doing the work..not so much....they spend their whole life borrowing and claiming they did something...those people fear truth....liars don't like that truth exposing what they really are...phoneys...they get weighed and measured every time they enter a dog..

We do what we say...always have. Good bred dogs make us look good so we don't have to claim common as great. We won't cheat lie steal hook crook or be a lawyer for a dog....we just hunt better dogs...we feed water and care for dogs..we actually hunt them..we keep feeders for coon filled to keep coon around...we use a lot of cage caught complaint coon to get dogs started...real coon is the secret...along with steady progressive training.

Posted by tylerman on 05-17-2021 02:49 AM:

We don't talk about it..we do it....every month for yrs...let me tell you how..nope..we show you the results..every month for yrs.it takes work..effort...and that brings results...we don't call common great..the narsassit does.

Posted by tylerman on 06-06-2021 03:33 PM:

With some people...their whole program is a shame..shameful acts..untruths...lies to hurt others for their own gain. But there are good people left in the coonhound world. Don't let the shameful types draw you in with lesser dogs that bring the whole genetic pool down and keep it down and have to create wins they never deserved. It's easier with a better bred dog. Its better on your breed of choice. Some lines never excell..if it's great it should excell in big numbers and win a big hunts all over.....watch your world hunt finalist and 30 yrs later..the talkers are never, have never ,and will never be there. Don't believe everything..liars and wannabees sell you what they want you to hear....look for the proof..see a the real truth. It there if you really want to see it...if you dont..your part of the problem.

Posted by tylerman on 06-17-2021 11:32 PM:

Anyone can tell you how...we ain't bragging on 1 dog cast winners...does every dog here leave and win...no...but you will be hard pressed to find anyone who has started more winners across the boards of different breeds..pkc hunts..pkc state standings...ukc world placements..ukc ntch and grntch...many dogs on the performance list..breed days winners...no no..not 1 dog...or a dog every few yrs...month after month..yr after yr..the day and night work of progressive lessons with live coon and the quality dogs brought here makes it happen...not on our butts telling you how to do what we never have done..we do the work..its a blessing to have people sending the good bred dogs here that have. Good dogs make us look good..we can only give them the opportunity and that we do.

Robert Hayes male rock on right handled by Brian jennewein

Posted by tylerman on 07-01-2021 11:08 PM:

Imagine if you will..claiming to be so smart...but being so dumb to try to tell lies..and more lies to take down the man that is telling truth..works hard..is honest..and proves it month after month after month...and then you try to tell more lies..untill you loose all credibility..and just about everybody is horse laughing at you....they called us cage trainers...anything that made it was a phenomenon..lol...our methods didnt work...dogs would have irreversible damge...but.look..ours still turning out winners..month after month..you dont hear nada bout them...and bout everyone has figured out their games...now they they joke of everyones tales..truth outperforms their lies...and they turned the tables on themselves..funny how that works

We just keep out working em with better dogs...better methods...and more winners than they will ever hope to have.

Well here's yet another cage trained phenomenon..can you believe it....lol

Eric Edfors male goes home and tres it's own in the wild

Ronnie Reese sent me a text..his lol blue English t reeing them coon in the wild

Here's a couple in this month

Another batch

Posted by tylerman on 07-19-2021 03:37 AM:

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Originally posted by tylerman
Day and night till they get it right

I tend not to take some lines or breed to some lines and my avg improved greatly,,,its not the training methods...its the breeding..I train my own from start..and dont have to borrow a dog.

Posted by tylerman on 08-01-2021 06:13 PM:

No one will work harder or smarter to start a hound without constant abuse..we feed water house and hunt em...Anyone can talk about how...we been proving the truth that always outperforms the others lies..month after month..nightbsfter night..winner after winner..the greatest compliment are when you stalkers try to use your quotes and catch phrases...the want to be you...

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Originally posted by tylerman
I heard Jesse made nt ch....still counting?...thats alot of dogs just this yr so far for a little league player dont ya think?....I mean for a method that dont work...lol...if the haters hadnt already ruined their credibility...this outa help prove to some you can not believe these boys. Truth is in front of you...it takes a better bred dog. It, is so much easier for a dog to overcome when its bred better dont it? It aint over by a long shot...its coming faster and faster....and it takes the right dogs...work..reps..and coon.

Ive seen a wide variety of dogs and lines...i dont make my decisions by what i think..its by what I see in front of me...what I know. Not like some from far away with little or no knoweledge of what is happening..those that dont know or understand try to build false illusions...false phrophets rarely tell the truth. Truth and proof of results always carry farther and is time tested.

Posted by tylerman on 08-17-2021 02:34 AM:

Come look us up on Facebook as dave collins in Camden Indiana or neon red kennels.. mad puppy pack training...way easier to see pics and videos there...getting to be a real hassle to post either on here.

Takes more than talk..and it ain't just about money

Critics have tried it failed..emptysouls are not filled buy telling lies and truth always outperforms those liars

Take it as a compliment when others try to steal your catch phrases and methods

No one will work this hard on others dogs

No one will get these kinda results in these numbers

WE FEED. Water and house dogs the right way..without constant abuse

We have yrs of experiance..but I wont live forever...someone gonna have to step up in tine

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Originally posted by tylerman
Anyone can tell you how.....takes more than talk...anyone can tell you how....not everyone gonna do the work or put the time in. That's the difference....work..real effort..real results

Charlie Miller says he likes his dog

John Maxey won with his

We are starting a a new batch
Here is del Hudson and Larry hall pups

Jason Kathie

Tim guillied

Nice little male of Dylan mills

Posted by tylerman on 09-21-2021 01:10 AM:

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Originally posted by tylerman

Posted by tylerman on 10-21-2021 11:21 PM:

Anyone can tell you how....do they start hundreds?.there was a great dog borrower that wanted to tell you how to do what he could not do..had to borrow a dog to win..and win with dogs no one else ever could...when you want more than illusions...you ate not afraid of the truth..the whole truth..and nothing but the truth...you will go find the real facts..liars are afraid of truth and truth always shows in the end

We work day and night to get dog advanced to its ability...thats truth

We feedeater and house a dig right..thats truth

We don't let dogs lay in a kennel..thats truth

We wo t hook crook and scheme to build a false image..thats truth

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Originally posted by tylerman

Posted by tylerman on 11-19-2021 10:54 PM:

We do the work..always have..always will..we work em..then test em alone

They don't get ate up..beat up..no fighting over food...no beatings...no constant shockings..no shortcuts..work..daily..fed watered-.bed down good ...and real live coon.
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Originally posted by tylerman
Yep..we still working...dogs dont lay long here much cause they dont learn in the kennel or talking about it.Time tells everyone the truth.

We had some color splash in last nights hunts

Blue english of Kody and Kory Zumwalt

This is a walker named Clutch

Pretty sure where he went

Kenneth Cunninghams blue dogs Rowdy and Iris working at dark now

Posted by sukuna on 11-29-2021 12:04 AM:

wow working dogs are really amazing

Posted by tylerman on 12-27-2021 05:31 AM:

Go look us up on Facebook...Dave Collins or neon red kennels and mad puppy pack training...videos updated often...we do the work

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Originally posted by tylerman
When you listen to wanna be trainers..and self claimed experts...then find out they don't start their own....just borrow and buy already made dogs..as the truth comes forth...you learn who to listen to and who tells the most bull. We start a great many month after month.,yr after yr...day and night till they get it right. You can spend your whole life trying to hide your lies...or get off your butt and get to work cause you can't just say it..you have to do it. You can't tell lies on the man that does the real work because the man that does the real work don't have to lie to make himself look good.

Time will always tell in the end. People tell on ya..good and bad...the man telling the truth don't have to justify his every action and don't have to cheat to make it...don't be fooled buy the fella that talks about what he can or will never be able to do....these methods work for dogs that were born with the grey matter between their ears.

You go to work...

And you keep on working

And you keep on working

And work some more

Some fellas hunt A dog last night....we tend to hunt a few

Posted by tylerman on 01-27-2022 05:59 PM:

Woo wee..we bout outa the below zero and single digits for awhile and roll into full day and night production...the good ones makes us all look good .

Posted by tylerman on 02-17-2022 10:30 PM:

Some talk..we working...they learn all 4 seasons...we bout outa the bad weather..3 or 4 days it's gonna be 40s and 50s

Go to facebook..Facebook.. dave Collins or mad puppy pack..neon red kennels for videos and reports...

Anyone can tell you how...some may actually feed your dog and do some work...better know that man well.

We still working day and night..week after wekk..week.. after month..yr after yr...and dogs go on to win...

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Originally posted by tylerman
Got to pay it forward..had to be pulled out a while back while hunting and helped the neighbor get unstuck with a little tug coming back from a training session.

Hunted a couple today.Still training..still gettin some success from the ones that got it in em...the good ones make it easy and dont have the breeders blaming someone else for their failures..still walking EH?

Lucky me..we got more snow last night!!Trudging along

Posted by tylerman on 03-25-2022 12:26 AM:

We are working through the wet..muddy weather..it only gets one if you get off the couch and do what you promise..you have to have perseverance and realcoon...real coon... work with emphasis on tree...

Look us up on facebook..dave collins or neon red kennels...mad puppy pack...

Videos regular...

Posted by tylerman on 04-29-2022 01:48 PM:

We still here yrs later...after many other quit failed or gave up...you see em come and go...we been doing this most of our lives...month after month yrs later..winner after winner. We dont promise to start some coon...bear...squirrel and rabbit dogs every month. And we don't beg or post we got room over and over...that should speak volumes. We also don't push to sell..tell you how...we actually do it..in numbers every month most won't ever understand..this is not a part time lifestyle..or a we take your dog with ours once in a while adventure.

We stick with starting pups and keeping our promises. Without beating..starving..lack of water or suitable housing The good ones make us look good. Nothing changes that...ain't no magic wands or secret potions to pour in their ears. It takes steady progressive work daily in repetition to ENHANCE traits they should be born with.

Keeping permissions...filling feeders..day and night hunting
.training..care of hounds..keeping kennels clean

Most can't handle the complete job long..you gotta love it...and its work. Everyday..everyday

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