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Posted by Preston Owens on 03-24-2013 07:18 PM:

Re: Re: Re: I found, it here is part of it

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Originally posted by chuck west
Mr. Owens the -D usally stood for duplicate papers back years ago ,I lost my dogs papers once got new ones and the number was the same just -D behind it. If you look at the female your talking about she has an E in front of her number that designates she was coming from a single registered strain of dogs, if I'm looking at it right a female out her also had an E. Back then it is the same as now it takes 3 generations of known parentage to have "PR" status and lose the E reg number.

Thanks I thought so but wasnt sure, I didnt want to assume that it was a duplicate paper... Interesting

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Posted by HERSHSHUNTIN on 03-24-2013 07:28 PM:

Larry

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Posted by chuck west on 03-24-2013 07:57 PM:

I used to keep Redbones ,in fact they were my first hounds ,had some Pokey Bill, Brunswick Little Man ,some Blakesley and Tousaint , but that was over 50 years back .I still love the looks of a good looking Red Dog .

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Posted by steve guffey on 03-25-2013 12:56 AM:

Re: FAMOUS AMOS x MILLERS RED BETSY

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Originally posted by Larry D Walker
Looking for something line bred or with a lot of Amos and Betsy.

I think they were crossed more than once,

And I am pretty sure betsy was bred to Timber Jack atleast once.

Looking for this blood as much and as close up as possible.

Thanks Larry

I think I have a couple dog's here that has some amos & betsy. let me think. Yes! I do, They are 3 x Kate, 3 X Billy The Kid, 6 X Burning Ben, and 6 X Famous Amos. And that not counting all of Yellow River Red Doc, Yellow River red Rocky,Fireball, ect.

Posted by Danny McCleskey on 03-25-2013 07:45 PM:

Re: Betsy

quote:
Originally posted by Larry D Walker
Do yall know if betsy was crossed to any other males,

And did Betsy and timber Jack reproduce

Was there any other titled dogs off the cross that produced Ben

How Many times was Amos and Betsy crossed.

Does anyone have a offspring report on Betsy

GrNiteCh Millers Red Betsy was bred to NiteCh Merchants Red Buck one time and to GrNiteCh Hunters Famous Amos two times and to GrNiteCh Dawns Timber Jack one time. There was only one pup from the cross with Timber Jack. Betsy was close to nine years old when she was bred to Timber Jack. Betsy may have been bred to Ox The Fox one time not sure about that.

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Posted by redpower on 03-25-2013 10:33 PM:

Re: Here is some more on ann

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Originally posted by Larry D Walker

Larry what dog is this ped from?

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Posted by Danny McCleskey on 03-26-2013 12:41 AM:

Re: Hey Mark

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Originally posted by Larry D Walker
You ever know a man in illinois by the name of Miller, I think maybe Donnie Miller,

He told me he had at one time been involved with this line of dogs, and had hunted Amos, Ben a dog called ox the fox who was off Amos and Millers natural duck who is also in anns ped,

Just curious if you knew of him, he hunted them alot and seem to know alot about the breeding and hunt style of all of them.

I think he told me that they had bred Betsy to the dog he called ox the fox but I cant find anything on that blood.

I really didnt like what he had to say about Ben,

I think Leeman Moyer had the Duck Dog, he also spoke of a dog called Wizard of Oz I think he said he was a littermate to Ben.

He spoke of a dog called buster brown, I think he said he was off Amos, I would like to find some of this blood, do you know anything about these dogs.

Larry,
Know you addressed these questions to Mark but thought I would tell you what I know. I knew Donnie Miller pretty well and pleasure hunted with him a few times. I got my NiteCh Flint Creek Miss Minnie and Flint Creek Hustin Pinky from Donnie. Donnie hunted Pinky until she was five years old and then I got her and kept her about three years and let Donnie have her back. Donnie Miller was as hard a hunter as there ever was when he was hunting. He raised and trained GrNiteCh Millers Natural Duck and GrNiteCh Millers Red Betsy and sold them to Rodger Shabel. Millers Natural Duck was by NiteCh Merchants Red Buck. Merchants Red Buck was by NiteCh Millers Valley Woodpecker and out of Donnie's NiteCh Millers Queen. James Merchant ( The Treeing Walker Man ) offered Donnie more money than he said he could turn down when Buck around a year and half old. Rodger Shabel also bought NiteCh Millers Ox The Fox from Donnie. Ox was out of Millers Natural Duck and by Hunters Famous Amos. I don't remember if Donnie and Rodger were partners on Amos Burning Ben or if Donnie just hunted Ben awhile for Rodger. Amos Burning Ben was about three and half years old when he was sold and went to Wisconsic. Ben was finished to NiteCh and GrNiteCh after he was in Wisconsin.

Rodger Shabel let Leeman Moyers keep and raise a litter of pups from GrNiteCh Millers Natural Duck and Leeman's GrNiteCh River Bottom Tropper .

The dog that was a littermate to Amos Burning Ben may have been Famous Flip since his kennel name was Ozzie.

The Buster Brown dog was Lynn Creek Buster Brown and was owned by Walter "Bubba" Taylor in Mississippi. Lynn Creek Buster Brown won the 1986 PKC Futurity Hunt. This was before all the Super Stake started. Russell Wagers bought Buster shortly after he won the hunt and changed his name to Famous Amos II and then shortly afer Russell bought him he got killed on the road while hunting. He was by Hunters Famous Amos and out of Flint Creek Sally Jo.

Posted by Larry D Walker on 03-26-2013 02:28 AM:

Thanks Danny

Thats some good history right there, I just spoke with Donnie yesterday.

Dale that ped is part of Ol Ann's ped She was The mother to the Rebel dog I had.

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Posted by Larry D Walker on 03-26-2013 03:17 AM:

REBEL SEMEN 2011 NRB OPPOSITE SEX CH

USED THE FIRST SHOT OF REBEL SEMEN TODAY,

11 SHOTS LEFT.

I THINK THESE PUPS WILL HAVE A MAJOR IMPACT IN THE COONDOG

COMPETITION WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I CANT WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted by Larry D Walker on 03-26-2013 05:34 PM:

Re: Re: Hey Mark

Danny are you thinking th edog he called wizard of Oz could have been flip ? If so what was his hunt style and what did he reroduce?
Do you know what would be the closest living blood to Oz.

quote:
Originally posted by Danny McCleskey
Larry,
Know you addressed these questions to Mark but thought I would tell you what I know. I knew Donnie Miller pretty well and pleasure hunted with him a few times. I got my NiteCh Flint Creek Miss Minnie and Flint Creek Hustin Pinky from Donnie. Donnie hunted Pinky until she was five years old and then I got her and kept her about three years and let Donnie have her back. Donnie Miller was as hard a hunter as there ever was when he was hunting. He raised and trained GrNiteCh Millers Natural Duck and GrNiteCh Millers Red Betsy and sold them to Rodger Shabel. Millers Natural Duck was by NiteCh Merchants Red Buck. Merchants Red Buck was by NiteCh Millers Valley Woodpecker and out of Donnie's NiteCh Millers Queen. James Merchant ( The Treeing Walker Man ) offered Donnie more money than he said he could turn down when Buck around a year and half old. Rodger Shabel also bought NiteCh Millers Ox The Fox from Donnie. Ox was out of Millers Natural Duck and by Hunters Famous Amos. I don't remember if Donnie and Rodger were partners on Amos Burning Ben or if Donnie just hunted Ben awhile for Rodger. Amos Burning Ben was about three and half years old when he was sold and went to Wisconsic. Ben was finished to NiteCh and GrNiteCh after he was in Wisconsin.

Rodger Shabel let Leeman Moyers keep and raise a litter of pups from GrNiteCh Millers Natural Duck and Leeman's GrNiteCh River Bottom Tropper .

The dog that was a littermate to Amos Burning Ben may have been Famous Flip since his kennel name was Ozzie.

The Buster Brown dog was Lynn Creek Buster Brown and was owned by Walter "Bubba" Taylor in Mississippi. Lynn Creek Buster Brown won the 1986 PKC Futurity Hunt. This was before all the Super Stake started. Russell Wagers bought Buster shortly after he won the hunt and changed his name to Famous Amos II and then shortly afer Russell bought him he got killed on the road while hunting. He was by Hunters Famous Amos and out of Flint Creek Sally Jo.

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Posted by Larry D Walker on 03-26-2013 05:38 PM:

Danny

I think I answered part of that question by looking back on ann's papers, if flip and oz are the same dog that is what produced your Doc dog,

Where is the closest living blood from doc, preferably line bred to doc???????

Thanks Danny

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Posted by last chance on 04-08-2013 02:30 PM:

Rebel

Larry what is the three gen. ped. on that Rebel semen?

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Posted by last chance on 02-19-2022 07:38 PM:

Larry do you still have semon on Rebel?

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Posted by Larry D Walker on 02-21-2022 02:31 PM:

Rebel semen

Yes we have semen

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Posted by last chance on 04-17-2024 12:38 AM:

I really like Rebels mom's side,Ann is bred nice.

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Posted by last chance on 04-19-2024 11:16 PM:

Who was Gr.NiteCh. Miller's Natural Ducks mom?Shabels BJ was he a littermate to Ben and Flip? Larry what female did you breed to Rebels semen and her pedigree?

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Posted by last chance on 04-29-2024 06:21 PM:

Top side of Rebels pedigree?

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Posted by last chance on 05-05-2024 01:52 PM:

Anyone know the top side of Rebels pedigree?

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Posted by last chance on 05-05-2024 10:47 PM:

Took me awhile to finally figure it out,now does anyone know if there is still semen on Rebel?

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