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Lol That's right Tim!!!

Lol That's right Tim!!!

Mr Bowers love lipped or hate him you have got to love that mouth on that pup of yours. I myself love that big lipped screaming tree mouth.

GR,NT,CH,LIPPERS GHOST[LIPPS]

THIS IS DENTON HUMMEL LIVINGSTON 931-239-9337 I OWN LIPPERS GHOST HES 11 YEARS OLD AND STILL HUNT HIM EVER TIME I GO ,I HAVE HAD SOME OF THE BEST HOUSE BRED DOGS THAT HAS EVER WALK ON EARTH I HUNT MTS,AND LAKE HILLS AND HOUSE BRED DOGS CAN TREE COON IN ANY COUNTRY FROM CLINT TO LIPPER LAWYER, CRUZE ,PROWLER,TOM AGAIN,AND THE GOES ON AN ON ,,BIG MOUTH BIG HEART ,,,THANKS TO JOE HOUSE FOR WHAT HE DONE IN PUTTING FORTH THE TIME TO BRED THIS STRAIN ON DOGS AT TO THE PEOPLE THAT HUNTS THEM ,,THANKS FOR YOUR TIME

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Originally posted by johnny reb
Mr Bowers love lipped or hate him you have got to love that mouth on that pup of yours. I myself love that big lipped screaming tree mouth.

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"God bless the broken road"
Doug and Cleo Bowers




PKC SCH UKC DUAL GRAND TOUCAN SAM SEMEN



Also home to;ACHA LWSCH 'PR' Kentucky River Mundar ~ Sire is Kentucky River Rowdy (frozen Semen) BMOB 2013 Winter Classic
House's Lipper Hope x Kentucky River Rowdy
Broken Road's LITTLE TEXAS
LIPPERS STYLISH ROOSTER AT STUD
LIPPERS LITTLE TEXAS AT STUD.

"The WILL of God will never take you where the GRACE of God can not protect you

THERE IS NO WAY TO COMPARE TITLED DOGS FROM ONE ERA TO ANOTHER. I HUNTED WITH SEVERAL DOGS DIRECTLY OUT OF LIPPER AND IF LIPPER WAS ALIVE TODAY HIS PERCENTAGE WOULD BE COMPARABLE TO ANY OTHER. LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF DOGS ENTERED AT A HUNT DURING THE EIGHTIES WHEN MOST OF LIPPER'S PUPS WERE BEING HUNTED AGAINST THE NUMBERS ENTERED THE PAST 15-20 YRS. A HUGE AMOUNT OF HUNTS NOW CAN'T EVEN PUT A 4 DOG CAST IN THE WOODS. PRETTY EASY TO GET A FIRST. ALWAYS PARTIAL TO FINLEY RIVER DOGS MYSELF, BUT LIPPER PRODUCED SOME POWERFUL HOUNDS AND MOST HAD HUGE MOUTHS AND PLENTY OF CHROME.

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Originally posted by MARK RISINGER
THERE IS NO WAY TO COMPARE TITLED DOGS FROM ONE ERA TO ANOTHER. I HUNTED WITH SEVERAL DOGS DIRECTLY OUT OF LIPPER AND IF LIPPER WAS ALIVE TODAY HIS PERCENTAGE WOULD BE COMPARABLE TO ANY OTHER. LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF DOGS ENTERED AT A HUNT DURING THE EIGHTIES WHEN MOST OF LIPPER'S PUPS WERE BEING HUNTED AGAINST THE NUMBERS ENTERED THE PAST 15-20 YRS. A HUGE AMOUNT OF HUNTS NOW CAN'T EVEN PUT A 4 DOG CAST IN THE WOODS. PRETTY EASY TO GET A FIRST. ALWAYS PARTIAL TO FINLEY RIVER DOGS MYSELF, BUT LIPPER PRODUCED SOME POWERFUL HOUNDS AND MOST HAD HUGE MOUTHS AND PLENTY OF CHROME.

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JUST SAYING THAT IT HAS NEVER BEEN EASIER TO MAKE A CHAMPION THAT IT HAS BEEN FOR THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS. STILL HAVE TO WIN TOUR CAST, BUT CHANCES ARE IF YOU WIN YOUR CAST YOU'LL DO NO WORSE THAN 2ND. WAY DIFFERENT THAN WHEN THERE WERE LESS HUNTS AND IF YOU WON YOUR CAST YOU MIGHT NOT EVEN PLACE.

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Originally posted by edwardfasteddy
I know Lipper had over 5000 pups, but lets just use 1000 pups to take a look at this 7.5 % of reproduction that was calculated by UKCs PUPS AND DEGREES (PAD) that is in the back of the Coonhound Bloodlines Magazine. ( 7.5% of 1000 pups is 75 dogs with titles) 1000 pups minus 75 pups equals 925 pups that are not titled? At 7 pups per litter average the titled ones came out of 7 and half litters. The 925 pups that are left divided by 7 pups per litter is 132 litters with No titled dogs in them, this is with some of the top females in the country being bred to him. Now when you bred a female with frozen semen that is not a proven cross and no way could be because the proven females would be deceased , what would be the odds of getting a winner out of a dog like that? I'm just using the facts that are given to us by UKCs PAD. With 5000 pups that would be 75 titled dogs in every 1000 pups or 375 titled dogs in 5000 pups. 53 litters had titled dogs and 660 litters did not. You can look at it anyway you want but 7.5% reproduction equals the above...

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Back in the 70's and 80's folks around here might drive 14 miles to breed a dog. Then, it would be to their buddy's dog. I made it to Henderson TN and got to join a cast with Lipper in it. He and the others were much louder and faster than anything I'd ever been with. The locals thought I was crazy when I bought my 1st lipper pup for an outrageous $200. I was as proud of that pup but he didn't have that big mouth nor any ability beyond the norm. I put 2 ukc wins on him by 1 year then sold him for what at that time seemed like a fortune, $1000.
The next couple lipper pups were about the same until I got the inside scoop that 1 outta a litter might have that big mouth, track speed and treed lipper style. So, I bred a good female to lipper and did get to pick that special one. I bred 5 females to lipper over the years.
My experience says a low % of his pups stood out as above normal. But the ones that did would make you spend your $ hoping to get you one Like him. Not saying those others were bad, they just weren't what made lipper famous.
I do remember the hunts back then. There were 50 or more dogs at the local hunts. It was definitely harder to get a 1st on a dog or even get in the top 3.
Mr Aron has much experience in dog breeding and I've enjoyed our talks thru the years. I've had brothers and sisters to Homer's Gomer and Moonlite Mike. I owned Skuna River Penny who 4wd the top $ winner of Mr Aron's productions that earned him breeder of the year.
I've owned over 100 lipper offspring including frozen semen pups. I hunted with him twice and bred 5 females to him. I can't argue the % factor because folks never cared who they sold pups to. Same as they do today.
Still, as for me, make mine lipper...

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Hey Fellas, looks like ol Ed the mathematician has it all figured out. Yep he’s the next Breeder of the year Bhaaa ha ha ha ha! Y’all go easy on him. You know these internet hunters are tuff hard going going hunters and true houndsmen. Probably a liberal and voted for Hillary! Lol well..... you get em Ed and maybe you can single handed save the breed! I know Ed, If Joe House would off only had google to of helped his breeding program LMAO! Boy oh Boy I’m gonna pay for this post. Hope y’all enjoy

Did anyone remember when I asked the question about the UKC World Champion right after the hunt and said I heard they where going to hunt it off without Sambo back in Georgia. These guys jumped on here and said I shouldn't be making a statement like that and thought I was tying to start trouble when I was just asking a question, Moderator or someone deleted the post..Said no one would know anything like that but UKC.. WELL FOLKS GUESS WHO KNEW WHAT WAS GOING ON? LOL! HeHeHeHeHeHe Ha!Ha!Ha! HeHeHeHe!!!! Hey BawlsDeep, I did the Reproduction Math and guess what, I'm right about that too!!! HeHeHeHe!!!

I stand corrected Ed.... I didn’t realize you had such an accomplished resume. You called it bout Sambo. Recon your the Nostradamus of coonhounds. Know who’s gonna win Super Bowl or NCAA Championship? I’d like to go place a few bets.

Merry Christmas too all!

When 92.5% of his pups don't make it and 99.5% of the hunters that buy the pups can't train them, you wind up with a bad reproducer, but its not really all the dogs fault as you can see, but please Mr. Bawls the numbers don't lie, the coon hunter's do.....

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Originally posted by BawlsDeep
I stand corrected Ed.... I didn’t realize you had such an accomplished resume. You called it bout Sambo. Recon your the Nostradamus of coonhounds. Know who’s gonna win Super Bowl or NCAA Championship? I’d like to go place a few bets.

Merry Christmas too all!

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I see, so UKC determines if a dog is a coondog huh? Didn’t know dog had to accumulate a title to tree coons... The majority of the best dogs I’ve seen opperate were simply pleasure dogs and had never seen a hunt. The majority of the worse I’ve seen opperate I drew in casts.... I bought one that was a PR dog and 8yrs old few yrs back. Never ever had done a thing but pleasure hunt. He wasn’t for sale but I was so impressed I got very crazy on offer. I did over pay for him but went from PR dog to GRNITCH in 9 hunts. The one he didn’t win I withdrew him for crossing the river in first 15minutes of the hunt. He was treed with his coon as he almost always was. Rest of cast didn’t have anything that coon tree a coon and had a dead cast. Two off the other hounds in that cast were all grand studs that were heavily pushed and promoted during that time. I Guess my old dog never made it to coon dog status until he was 8 yrs old Ed according to your criteria huh? Man oh Man he was a late starter LOL!! One off those dogs in that cast I granded 3 hounds out and was still hunting against him lol... But they new how to make him walk on water on the stud page add and add in the magazines. He finally made Grand but I n ver saw him tree his own coon in all the times I drew him. Lots off men bred to him though but I saw him opperate time and time again.. Honestly “ How can a man expect any one dog to produce anything ether than he or she is?” Happening all around us and has been a long time. Any way that’s my food for thought for today. Cold here today. First snow we’ve gotten in 10yrs way down south here in PR dog country.

Well now that's funny, reminds me of what I did back in the 90s when I took a female that would Not tree a coon, but had a very good bloodline based on her background of UKC titles, and bred her to a stud that was a Purina Point over all Champion High Country Nite Heat. I when against all these Beer Bottle coonhunter theories and I will be damed if that female didn't produce a National Know World Champion that was sold for $30,000 and two years later another dog of mine was put in the Hall of Fame in 1995, I ended up selling dogs in all 48 states back in the day, but never could find enough 8 year old PR dogs to fill the orders, I was left to do the job of breeding them myself. Thanks to UKC, Titles, (PAD), and doing my home work, I had a lot of fun "Back in the Day"! Note: Here in Pennsylvania the coons are going to have to run in the snow tonight.....

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Originally posted by BawlsDeep
I see, so UKC determines if a dog is a coondog huh? Didn’t know dog had to accumulate a title to tree coons... The majority of the best dogs I’ve seen opperate were simply pleasure dogs and had never seen a hunt. The majority of the worse I’ve seen opperate I drew in casts.... I bought one that was a PR dog and 8yrs old few yrs back. Never ever had done a thing but pleasure hunt. He wasn’t for sale but I was so impressed I got very crazy on offer. I did over pay for him but went from PR dog to GRNITCH in 9 hunts. The one he didn’t win I withdrew him for crossing the river in first 15minutes of the hunt. He was treed with his coon as he almost always was. Rest of cast didn’t have anything that coon tree a coon and had a dead cast. Two off the other hounds in that cast were all grand studs that were heavily pushed and promoted during that time. I Guess my old dog never made it to coon dog status until he was 8 yrs old Ed according to your criteria huh? Man oh Man he was a late starter LOL!! One off those dogs in that cast I granded 3 hounds out and was still hunting against him lol... But they new how to make him walk on water on the stud page add and add in the magazines. He finally made Grand but I n ver saw him tree his own coon in all the times I drew him. Lots off men bred to him though but I saw him opperate time and time again.. Honestly “ How can a man expect any one dog to produce anything ether than he or she is?” Happening all around us and has been a long time. Any way that’s my food for thought for today. Cold here today. First snow we’ve gotten in 10yrs way down south here in PR dog country.

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Originally posted by BawlsDeep
Hey Fellas, looks like ol Ed the mathematician has it all figured out. Yep he’s the next Breeder of the year Bhaaa ha ha ha ha! Y’all go easy on him. You know these internet hunters are tuff hard going going hunters and true houndsmen. Probably a liberal and voted for Hillary! Lol well..... you get em Ed and maybe you can single handed save the breed! I know Ed, If Joe House would off only had google to of helped his breeding program LMAO! Boy oh Boy I’m gonna pay for this post. Hope y’all enjoy

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There are so many equations in breeding. For me, must be deadly accurate, must go hunting, must have big bawl mouth, must be built athletic, must have houndy looks and be trainable.
Only a handful a decade reproduce all the above, consistently.

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Striving to breed balanced Treeing Walkers.

"Life is short boys, Hunt an intelligent hound"

Born in sin, convicted by the Word, saved by Grace.

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Originally posted by CONRAD FRYAR
There are so many equations in breeding. For me, must be deadly accurate, must go hunting, must have big bawl mouth, must be built athletic, must have houndy looks and be trainable.
Only a handful a decade reproduce all the above, consistently.

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weh, I have moved in house in all my breeding, i have 2 older blooded studs that i have semen on and cross them on each other, Lipper-Coma / OLD Yadkin River.

Grntch. Paulding Forest Bubba ( Cade x Fryars Liza Jane)
Ntch. Merchants Tree Blaster (Champ x Shaws Judy)

It's my belief in breeding dogs, "That you have to keep it tight to keep it right"

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Striving to breed balanced Treeing Walkers.

"Life is short boys, Hunt an intelligent hound"

Born in sin, convicted by the Word, saved by Grace.

Lipper, Cash, Kicker. I seen pups off them dogs back in the day when these guys where making Nite Champions and Grands at 7 to 12 months old and they looked good, sometimes they had a coon and sometimes they didn't, then at two years old they would stand in the road and look at ya, did anyone else see this?

Curious about this question as well

MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL!!!!