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Posted by Richard Lambert on 05-05-2019 04:21 PM:

It sure is a lot easier to train bad habits in than it is to break them from bad habits.

Posted by yadkintar on 05-05-2019 04:43 PM:

If used properly the alpha is the greatest training aid ever made you know where they are at always and I haven’t had one be able to outrun it or run through it yet.

Tar

Posted by Nathan Phenix on 05-05-2019 04:56 PM:

If you want break dog take a heavy pad lock or old style window weight. Tie it to piece thin nylon rope. And tie other end to bottom of dogs collar. Where lock is hitting dog in middle chest. He Jack's tree few night that lock hit him in chest and get sore and he will quit.

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Posted by wildwilly0161 on 05-13-2019 08:22 PM:

l.p.w.

l.p.w. your PM. box is full, give me a call at 419-969-0001 and I'll teach you in exchange for an honest reference of the results we get !!!
Please do not Shock your young Hound, there is a simpler way, let me explain.

I Highly Recommend, NOT Using a shock Collar to correct K9 aggression, over 90% of all dogs will become More Aggressive if shocked after they themselves show aggression first. ( Jacking the Tree is Missed Placed Aggression ) Once they are in aggression mode and shocked, they will associate the correction as the other dog/ situation, Causing it and their aggression Will worsen because he simply won't understand.
Rather we will set up a line of communication with our dog first, so that he may understand what we want out of him. Then we will break every training step down into smaller segments that he Can understand! We then make Sure to achieve each individual step before we move to the next one ensuring we will get the Results we want !!!

!! Shock Collars Ruin more Dogs than any other cause that I know of today !!

Most people that I teach this subject to, do not truly understand how a shocking collar is actually supposed to be used. Shocking systems (E-collars) are NOT training tools. Rather they are long-range reinforcement devices of already learned behaviors!!! This is the simplest quickest way to use a shock collar correctly. With my method, my Hound always understands what he is getting stimulated for and because of this, it takes lighter stimulation to achieve the desired behavior without the dog shutting down. The Hounds understanding of the stimulation is crucial, to the speed of the result, of the long-range, positive response!
Once I teach you how it truly works you will never have to worry about Tree Jacking again !!!

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Posted by Toad Hill on 05-13-2019 10:32 PM:

^ ^ ^ ^

doesnt get any cheaper than that !!!!!!
Thats the kind of man Willy is right there ... just wanting to help a man help his dog !!

If I knew then what I knew now I would have paid Willy double what he charged me.

Posted by Redneck Mafia on 05-14-2019 03:36 AM:

Re: ^ ^ ^ ^

quote:
Originally posted by Toad Hill
doesnt get any cheaper than that !!!!!!
Thats the kind of man Willy is right there ... just wanting to help a man help his dog !!

If I knew then what I knew now I would have paid Willy double what he charged me.

Maybe it's just me but either offer free help here or advertise on the classifieds like everyone else. There are many that post on this section that also may have goods or services they sell but no others advertise them here in post.
If Willy would like to offer his help either spell it out for the world to see or a simple "I sent you a PM" post would do.
I do not see Bruce asking for an honest reference or minimal fee everytime he tells someone how to fix their Garmin, he gives free advice asking for nothing in return. I don't see Michael or Josh or Mr. Dalton peddling their goods here. There are others here that hunt and or train dogs, never have I seen any ask for any $ or future reference for them to gain monetary benefits from advice they may give.
Willy if you have a book advertise it in the classifieds, if you offer training advice for a fee advertise in the classifieds. Here it should be "I sent you a PM" and nothing further or tell all for free right here with nothing asked for in return.
Sorry my rant for the day.
Jen

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Posted by yadkintar on 05-14-2019 11:29 AM:

Re: Re: ^ ^ ^ ^

quote:
Originally posted by Redneck Mafia
Maybe it's just me but either offer free help here or advertise on the classifieds like everyone else. There are many that post on this section that also may have goods or services they sell but no others advertise them here in post.
If Willy would like to offer his help either spell it out for the world to see or a simple "I sent you a PM" post would do.
I do not see Bruce asking for an honest reference or minimal fee everytime he tells someone how to fix their Garmin, he gives free advice asking for nothing in return. I don't see Michael or Josh or Mr. Dalton peddling their goods here. There are others here that hunt and or train dogs, never have I seen any ask for any $ or future reference for them to gain monetary benefits from advice they may give.
Willy if you have a book advertise it in the classifieds, if you offer training advice for a fee advertise in the classifieds. Here it should be "I sent you a PM" and nothing further or tell all for free right here with nothing asked for
in return.

Sorry my rant for the day.
Jen

Yep what she said !!

Tar

Posted by Toad Hill on 05-14-2019 02:37 PM:

I guess if yall have a problem with the rules being followed contact the moderators to delete the thread. Makes me no difference at all as Im not selling anything. HOWEVER I WILL brag on whomever i wish !!

Posted by Richard Lambert on 05-14-2019 02:41 PM:

Oh my goodness, Tarbaby is now the message board police. What is the world coming to? Lpw asked if anyone knew how to break a dog from jacking a tree. Wild Willy offered to help him. If you can't help lpw, why is anyone getting upset because Willy said that he can?

Posted by yadkintar on 05-14-2019 02:52 PM:

Yes for a price he did and has continued to advertise for a price on the main board.

Tar

Posted by sleepy head on 05-14-2019 02:53 PM:

Boots, scawlers, lights people that deal in them don't reply to those threads????? Hmmmm

Posted by Redneck Mafia on 05-14-2019 03:16 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by sleepy head
Boots, scawlers, lights people that deal in them don't reply to those threads????? Hmmmm

Very seldom and usually only when asked about a specific product. They know the board rules and advertise their products in the classifieds. The PR they do here may draw people to their products but they don't do pushy sales on this side.
I'm not advocating for Willy not to help someone but if it comes with a price as he first asked or a reference which would bring him future monetary gain it should be by PM alone. Free advice for the world to see, bring it on.

Posted by sleepy head on 05-14-2019 03:34 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Redneck Mafia
Very seldom and usually only when asked about a specific product. They know the board rules and advertise their products in the classifieds. The PR they do here may draw people to their products but they don't do pushy sales on this side.
I'm not advocating for Willy not to help someone but if it comes with a price as he first asked or a reference which would bring him future monetary gain it should be by PM alone. Free advice for the world to see, bring it on.

Wrong

Posted by yadkintar on 05-14-2019 03:37 PM:

Curtis I gave you free advise about smoked bologna and forever changed your life !!

Tar

Posted by shadinc on 05-14-2019 03:41 PM:

I see ads for hunts on this site. Is that wrong?

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Posted by Redneck Mafia on 05-14-2019 04:23 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by shadinc
I see ads for hunts on this site. Is that wrong?

No it isn't as long as it is not a hunt of a different kennel club.
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Posted by Richard Lambert on 05-14-2019 04:43 PM:

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Oh my goodness....

Posted by yadkintar on 05-14-2019 04:47 PM:

I understand it (3) times more than most.

Tarbaby

Posted by yadkinriver on 05-14-2019 05:00 PM:

Richard as much as you enjoy poking the bear the season stays open on you year round. lol

Posted by Richard Lambert on 05-14-2019 05:17 PM:

Somebody has to keep him awake or he would just sleep all of the time. I am careful to just gently prod "the bear" so I don't make him too mad.

Posted by Toad Hill on 05-14-2019 05:53 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by yadkintar
I understand it (3) times more than most.

Tarbaby

Did you get any warnings first or was u scratched on the spot ?

Posted by yadkintar on 05-14-2019 06:18 PM:

1. Disagreement over sprinkles on the donuts.
2. To persistent on rule changes.
3. Called somebody of high stature in the company a big dummy.

In all three cases justice was served immediately! I had to shovel snow at headquarters for part of my sentence.

Tarbaby

Posted by tsbtater on 05-15-2019 04:10 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Oh my goodness, Tarbaby is now the message board police. What is the world coming to? Lpw asked if anyone knew how to break a dog from jacking a tree. Wild Willy offered to help him. If you can't help lpw, why is anyone getting upset because Willy said that he can?

Well said Mr. Lambert. Guy asked for help, someone offered to help and a snowflake or two blow a gasket.

I guess the only training advice you are supposed to offer is the normal "Shock him" Shoot him" or "Stomp him". Those seem to be the go-to training advice for just about everything on this board.

Tree dog people consistently demonstrate why we are our own worst enemy. Attack each other over something so petty.

Posted by Redneck Mafia on 05-15-2019 04:30 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by tsbtater
Well said Mr. Lambert. Guy asked for help, someone offered to help and a snowflake or two blow a gasket.

I guess the only training advice you are supposed to offer is the normal "Shock him" Shoot him" or "Stomp him". Those seem to be the go-to training advice for just about everything on this board.

Tree dog people consistently demonstrate why we are our own worst enemy. Attack each other over something so petty.

I'm all for Willy or anyone else offering FREE advice here my post was in no way to be derogatory towards anyone offering help. My point is there is a place for advertising goods and services and it's not on this section. No one else gets away with it. If anyone has an idea they charge for do it by PM, otherwise post your help here for all to see.
Yes there are ways to train dogs through positive reinforcement that stops many problems before they start. Bottom line is there are many ways to break bad habits that are successful something that works on one may not another.
If one is looking for someone to hunt, start or break a dog from one bad habit or another and willing to pay a fee there is a section for that... found in the classifieds. If your posting you goods or services here your in the wrong spot, not snowflake ideals just facts. Imagine if everyday these things and vendor items were listed here. This would no longer be a discussion board it would be enadated with things for sale. Even post about dogs that have been dead for thirty years get moved by moderators to their respective breed pages. Call it controlling the chaos.

Posted by Blaze P. on 05-15-2019 01:15 PM:

How about ukc and the moderators worry about who posts what and remind everyone of the rules, and the rest quit trying to rule the roost?

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