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Posted by CONRAD FRYAR on 01-12-2015 07:16 PM:

Hobo, That's a man with a plan.

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Posted by CONRAD FRYAR on 01-14-2015 12:07 PM:

Also something I have noticed thru the years is pay attention to the grandparents when making a cross they have allot of influence!

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Posted by Trinket clark on 01-14-2015 09:47 PM:

Throwbacks

I've always called them throwbacks. It's cool when you have a litter of pups and several of them act or look just like a grand or great grand parent. Always tell my kids look at that pup he's a throw back from the old dogs...I'm still lookin for that certain throw back in every litter.. That trait or look of one certain dog several generations back in there pedigree..Its pretty cool to be able to notice these things and actually know where they got it or who they got it from..

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Posted by wjoey on 01-16-2015 01:07 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by CONRAD FRYAR

I believe that when you cross two heavy linebred strains together interesting things can happen. But you have to have those 2 strains! New one's are more than welcome to come along also, let's see what some guy's can bring to the table.
My focus has been with crossing Coma lines x Lipper x House lines. Love talking hounds with you guys and seeing whats out there.

Heavy bellar line breeding does not work I put 4 in the ground last year , mother was a angel father was not mean , my 4 hit the ground fighting and at 7 months old and did not let up .I did not waste my time with them, You never know what your going to get

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Posted by artkiger on 01-16-2015 04:29 AM:

WJoey

Sorry you don't think line breeding doesn't work and you had put your dogs in the ground.

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Posted by wjoey on 01-16-2015 04:42 AM:

Re: WJoey

quote:
Originally posted by artkiger
Sorry you don't think line breeding doesn't work and you had put your dogs in the ground.

No I dont think that it dosent work its just not a good ideal with some strains of dogs .I have one now whos mother is also his grandmother on the topside and he is doing fine so far only time will tell.

Posted by artkiger on 01-16-2015 02:03 PM:

wjoey

Sorry, I went back and looked at your post again, I'm with ya know . Lol

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Posted by CONRAD FRYAR on 01-16-2015 02:20 PM:

Joe that is true, one problem i see allot is people go by pedigree instead of each individual hound. What does that particular hound bring to the table and did its parents bring the same?
If not you never know what the out come will be.

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Posted by wjoey on 01-16-2015 04:32 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by MR.RATMAN
I got a son out of What's Up Doc and im looking for a female that is loaded with Pacman blood or Sacket JR I think that would make some good line breeding

Mine was a daughter of whats up doc and a female out of psyco I crossed her with a handsome harry bellar bred hound and that did not work

Posted by wildbill on 01-18-2015 09:51 PM:

linebreeding is only way to get what you want ,but like been said,,some lines wont work,too much hidden in family tree from outcross's.
sometimes too much of a good thing too close also can be bad but trail and errow is only way to find it.

example i lindbreed on house and certain finleyriver linebred blood for the last 30+ yrs..

havent had problems with linebreeding houseclint unless too much of one son is used.have clint 20 + times without trouble.
but when putting house cruze 6+ times in 4 generations whamo,,pups try to kill each other off if not separted by time they are eating feed..had 2 pups left out 5 by time they were12 weeks old..

have 1 male here with lipper 4 times in 4 generations ,will share killing a coon but will NOT share dogfood at all.
dont think breeding him to a jackedup lipper female would be good at this point,but other halfbrothers should be ok..will know in a few more breedings..

good luck with whatever you try.

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Posted by wildbill on 01-18-2015 10:18 PM:

im not knocking house cruze,

another cross with cruze 4 times and 2 times house lawyer with finley river linebred filling out the rest worked on 4 generations...

but seen 1 fellas dog had finley river dan 3 times on 3 generations and would run all dogs off tree if you didnt get light on him first..saw him swim creek to my dogs ,sounded like motoboat ,growling with water running in his mouth while he was swiming.lol.

dont know if was too much dan blood or something else cause the problem..

maybe someone else knows that may have tryed linebreeding on dan...

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Posted by wildbill on 01-18-2015 10:29 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by wildbill
linebreeding is only way to get what you want ,but like been said,,some lines wont work,too much hidden in family tree from outcross's.
sometimes too much of a good thing too close also can be bad but trail and errow is only way to find it.

example i lindbreed on house and certain finleyriver linebred blood for the last 30+ yrs..

havent had problems with linebreeding houseclint unless too much of one son is used.have clint 20 + times without trouble.
but when putting house cruze 6+ times in 4 generations whamo,,pups try to kill each other off if not separted by time they are eating feed..had 2 pups left out 5 by time they were12 weeks old..

have 1 male here with lipper 4 times in 4 generations ,will share killing a coon but will NOT share dogfood at all.
dont think breeding him to a jackedup lipper female would be good at this point,but other halfbrothers should be ok..will know in a few more breedings..

good luck with whatever you try.

after reading this forgot to add this dog also had bozo 3 times with the lipper ,so i think a linbred outcross from these 2 dogs might be way to go from here.

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Posted by wildbill on 01-24-2015 08:54 PM:

a linebred female i got from abshire to work some pups with.
she been layed up for a few yrs ,told me have to tune her up,,lol
all she needs is some fat run off,she stayed treed for over 2 1/2 hrs last night before we could get to her..that was the 3rd tree of the night.pulled her off each tree and sent on from tree ,went away from truck instead toward it,,my luck.as always,
she was close to 1 1/2 + - miles away and could still hear her. not bad for an old dog.wouldnt been so bad if we hadnt had to walk 1 1/2 miles back the other way to get the truck,,tryed calling squalling the dogs back to us ,didnt work,pup wouldnt come back neither...

if you want dogs that do this kind of stuff linebreeding is where its at..trying to figure which of dogs in her ped throw these traits,i hunted with macks littlejoe and he made treeing coon look easy,if he could be zeroxed everybody would be spoiled to where they would be a lot more culling these days..

here's sally ped,where u think she gets her stuff from?linebreeding maybe?

......................................house lawyer
.......................double tough lawyer
......................................doubletough tess
.............stylish double tough
......................................deanwood drifter
........................whiteys singing ruby
.......................................web's cindy
..house's pine mt. sally
.....................................sacket jr.
........................rockriver sting
......................................rockriver lucy
............harolds uptown smoking sugar
.......................................mack's little joe
..........................high bawling sue
........................................house's shade of glory

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Posted by wildbill on 01-27-2015 01:30 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by wildbill
a linebred female i got from abshire to work some pups with.
she been layed up for a few yrs ,told me have to tune her up,,lol
all she needs is some fat run off,she stayed treed for over 2 1/2 hrs last night before we could get to her..that was the 3rd tree of the night.pulled her off each tree and sent on from tree ,went away from truck instead toward it,,my luck.as always,
she was close to 1 1/2 + - miles away and could still hear her. not bad for an old dog.wouldnt been so bad if we hadnt had to walk 1 1/2 miles back the other way to get the truck,,tryed calling squalling the dogs back to us ,didnt work,pup wouldnt come back neither...

if you want dogs that do this kind of stuff linebreeding is where its at..trying to figure which of dogs in her ped throw these traits,i hunted with macks littlejoe and he made treeing coon look easy,if he could be zeroxed everybody would be spoiled to where they would be a lot more culling these days..

here's sally ped,where u think she gets her stuff from?linebreeding maybe?

......................................house lawyer
.......................double tough lawyer
......................................doubletough tess
.............stylish double tough
......................................deanwood drifter
........................whiteys singing ruby
.......................................web's cindy
..house's pine mt. sally
.....................................sacket jr.
........................rockriver sting
......................................rockriver lucy
............harolds uptown smoking sugar
.......................................mack's little joe
..........................high bawling sue
........................................house's shade of glory

almost 3000 views an no more comments,,come on folks join in.
anybody know what cindy lucy and glory is out of??

i'm wanting to breed to something house linebred with lawyer blood as many times as can get,, anybody know if any still around??

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Posted by Jason Gillespie on 01-27-2015 12:36 PM:

JMO

I feel what a lot of you are saying ,The hounds of today are not like the ones our dads and grandfathers hunted , A lot of that falls on us as breeders, The main reason we are in this situation is MONEY!!!!!! Greed has gotten in the way of our sport . Its fellas that go way back and try to bring back the hounds of yesteryear to today that will truly have a impact on our breed. Im going back to Rock ,Which my family hunted these hounds years ago , I am starting my program over with my Double Lipper bred Bitch who is a grandpup of Rock I bred her to a direct son of Rock, She has 7 matching letters in her DNA, If some of you know what that means , She will Dominate with a Dominant reproducer to produce her likeness. I should be were I want to be next year.

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Posted by ashlock on 01-27-2015 05:50 PM:

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When you breed the female you are talking about to the male with the certain trait(hard treeing) you will get some like him, some like her, some a cross in between the two, or like one of the grandparents?
Too many apples in the basket for me.
I want to know what they are going to look like, sound like and act like for the most part.Tweak a little here and there.
Transportation has never affected breeding, Coon hunters will go! lol
Line breeding was not done because of an economic state it is a tool.
Horse breeders, cattleman, Gamefowl fanciers all use it.

One of the top cattleman in the USA, Dr. Vineyard told me one time, "When I asked how to start the best small herd i could"
He said" If you do not start with full sisters and be extremely careful to find a balanced male with the same traits you will never get there. They will never be the same,No amount of money will do it.
As a breeder i am looking for the same consistent product.

Yes a T.W. bred to a T.W. will produce little treeing walkers like a box of chocolates.

this is a fact.. inbreedin and linebreeding are tools indeed and used correctly you will see a stable family arise and they will indeed throw consistant traits into their offspring. now the downside, if you are not an experienced breeder or do not cull properly you do not need to be inbreeding or youll likely do more harm than good.. it bringsnthe best out as well as the bad.. i ran buuldogs for 20 years and had a great family of dogs..

Posted by ashlock on 01-27-2015 05:56 PM:

I know this is not a bulldog forum, just giving an example of how inbreeding can be used to create a family of dogs.. http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.co...p;dog_id=418622

Posted by wildbill on 01-28-2015 12:28 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by ashlock
I know this is not a bulldog forum, just giving an example of how inbreeding can be used to create a family of dogs.. http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.co...p;dog_id=418622

yep thats the way its done.

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Posted by CONRAD FRYAR on 02-07-2015 03:02 PM:

Went back and read a article by a man that was a remarkable family( line bred) breeder and here were some of his notes, thought I would pass them along. I have found everything he said thru the years to be true.

Quotes: It is almost impossible to breed anything that have allot of different genes in them.

Genes that affect your look and performance go back mostly to 4 generations. Try and lock the 4 generations.

Intelligent Selection is the name of the game.

Environment is 50%.( wow!)

Most families are ruined by adding a new blood or by making a bad choice in the ones you breed back.

The ones you choose to breed back, without allot of mixed up genes to deal with you will see the good characteristics passed on to the next generation.

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Posted by Trinket clark on 02-11-2015 11:27 PM:

Works well for me.

What I like about line breeding is, One you know about what your going to get a big majority of the time. If you start with a good tight family of dogs that hasn't been watered down through out the yrs that's half the battle..If your smart about what you breed them to, your line should gradually improve in the direction you want them to. Out crosses are necessary once in awhile forsure. When i make a out cross I personally like for the outcross dog to be either from a heavy line bred family also or at least have the same family of dogs I run either on the top side or bottom side. This is what has worked for me over the yrs. Sometimes I get lucky and get exactly what I was breeding for and something very special comes out of the cross. But a lot of the times I just get good OL' Coon Dogs..dogs I know where they've come from, where they've been, and in what direction I'm trying to head them in (to suit me). Not to say I don't throw a monkey wrench in the mix once in awhile just to see what happens. It's fun and exciting for me and my family..Good Hunting to all...and remember if you enjoy what you have it really doesn't matter what anyone else does, life is short, so enjoy yourself in what ever you do. God Bless!

Posted by Jason Gillespie on 02-12-2015 11:17 AM:

Re: Works well for me.

quote:
Originally posted by Trinket clark
What I like about line breeding is, One you know about what your going to get a big majority of the time. If you start with a good tight family of dogs that hasn't been watered down through out the yrs that's half the battle..If your smart about what you breed them to, your line should gradually improve in the direction you want them to. Out crosses are necessary once in awhile forsure. When i make a out cross I personally like for the outcross dog to be either from a heavy line bred family also or at least have the same family of dogs I run either on the top side or bottom side. This is what has worked for me over the yrs. Sometimes I get lucky and get exactly what I was breeding for and something very special comes out of the cross. But a lot of the times I just get good OL' Coon Dogs..dogs I know where they've come from, where they've been, and in what direction I'm trying to head them in (to suit me). Not to say I don't throw a monkey wrench in the mix once in awhile just to see what happens. It's fun and exciting for me and my family..Good Hunting to all...and remember if you enjoy what you have it really doesn't matter what anyone else does, life is short, so enjoy yourself in what ever you do. God Bless!

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Posted by Trinket clark on 02-15-2015 03:08 PM:

Take a look at the Brookshier Bred Hounds,

Several Decades of Line Breeding the best to the best, breeding for specific traits. Nothing has been watered down., old stuff to old stuff, coon dog to coon dog, Strait off the farm right to your door step, no additives or preservatives here Boys. This should cure what ever ales ya. God Bless and Good Hunting!

Posted by Robert Starke on 11-30-2015 10:08 AM:

Gr Nt Ch Finley River Dan

Hi,

Dan was the best reproducing son of Chief. I have line bred dogs off Dan for 40+ years.

Finley River Dan, Finley River Dan 3, Finley River Jeff, Blue Mountain Finley River Lonnie, Jackson"s Finley River Tom, Finley River Zoom, and Finley River Zig.

Come take a hunt. Finley River Chief is the cornerstone of the Walker breed. JMO

Good Hunting,
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Gr Ch A & B Preacher 2012 Saluda Days King of Show 2013 MCHF State Hunt Ch. winner and King of Show 2013 MO Governor's Cup State Hunt Ch. winner and King of Show 2014 RQE #11 Gr. Ch. winner 2014 Purina Nationals qualifier 2014 SWTWA Gr. Ch. winner 2014 Lee Crawford Invitational qualifier 2014 Kansas State Championship Gr. Ch. winner both days 2014 UKC's Top 10 List 2014 Purina's Bench Show Top Ten List 2014 MCHF Summer Classic Gr. Ch. winner both days 2014 MCHF Summer Classic King of Show 2014 MCHF State Hunt and Show GR. Ch. Winner Friday 2014 MCHF Missouri State Show Dog of the Year 2015 Purina Nationals qualifier 2015 Kansas State Championship Friday Gr Ch winner 2016 Purina Nationals qualifier

Gr Ch Table Rock Reverend Mundo Hawk 2010 MCHF State Hunt Best Male of Show 2011 MCHF Spring Classic Gr. Ch. male and King of Show 2011 UKC RQE 88 Gr Ch male 2012 UKC RQE 87 Gr Ch male 2012 NE Missouri Treeing Walker Sectional Gr. Ch. male and King Of Show 2012 MCHF Dick Gray Summer Classic Gr. Ch. male 2012 Lee Crawford Invitational qualifier

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Posted by HIDEHUNTER21 on 12-01-2015 04:45 AM:

Where do u hunt conrad? I hunt pigeon, taylors and all around lafayette. Just wondering if u hunt or just breed dogs

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Posted by pa.nitehunter on 12-02-2015 12:20 AM:

I disagree yes mind reading can be helpful but linebreeding can also hurt you way more than help if you keep line breeding at some point you're going to get that dog's fault and all of themyou can say what you want about us but we are starting to breed dogs that do not cross the same bloodline the line breeding is what I feel is hurting these dogs todayyou talk about people getting off of the farm and not understanding breeding well I'm still on the farm we breed cattle and draft horses we have some of the top bloodlines going in the draft horse industry and we do linebreed breed and in factit is highly frowned upon you should not be able to look at a set of papersand see the same male dog in a four generation paper four or five timesjust my opinion

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