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Posted by nitehunter2004 on 01-19-2017 06:04 PM:

I knew it would come to this !

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Posted by joey on 01-19-2017 07:19 PM:

If you guys think you know some deep dark secret your wrong. It went on a lot back in the day. As I said before a lot of the dogs that were supposed to be out of crowding billy and diamond Jim where not out of them. They were out of sons of them. The man himself told me that. In the 70's and 80's there was more dog trading and paper trading then we will ever know. There was enough of it right around my area to mess up the genealogy of 1/4 of the coon dog world.

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Posted by jay brademeyer on 01-19-2017 07:31 PM:

Well I don't know about any of y'all but my experience has shown me that anything I had that suited me took allot of time and work.. They don't get made with your rear parked on the tailgate sipping coffee and devouring chocolate chip cookies. Or as some do it sleeping in the cab of their pickup truck. About 95% of the people that I know that hated Lipper dogs were fellas that had a huge void in the ambition Department , and were afraid of the dark.... I'm probably going to piss a bunch of people off over this but I really don't care. Lipper dogs for dang sure were a lot of work and there were a bunch of garbage , heck there was 5000 of them there's bound to be some junk, but there was some darn good hounds that were freaks of nature that were out of lipper and those are the ones that got me to believe in the lipper and his offspring had the ingredients to produce the type of dogs that I enjoy. It's kind of funny that some people want to look back and discredit something that is already went down in history it's over it's done with, and if some of us are able to, and have the means to reconnect with some of that blood what's the problem? why is it such a big deal , and why does it piss you off so bad? It's going to be ok... the Sun is going to rise tomorrow in the east. It's going to be ok. Everybody has the right to enjoy what we want and if you don't like it you don't have to.... you can go in the direction that you're going.... nobody's grabbing you on the street and pointing you in a different direction and making you go somewhere that you don't want to go.... you don't have to... it's your choice. But I know everybody has an opinion, and I mean everybody.. and we also have the right to form and express them.

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Posted by Cleo on 01-19-2017 07:42 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by joey
If you guys think you know some deep dark secret your wrong. It went on a lot back in the day. As I said before a lot of the dogs that were supposed to be out of crowding billy and diamond Jim where not out of them. They were out of sons of them. The man himself told me that. In the 70's and 80's there was more dog trading and paper trading then we will ever know. There was enough of it right around my area to mess up the genealogy of 1/4 of the coon dog world.


In the 70's and 80's?

It's no different then today. Same thing, different day.

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Posted by Cleo on 01-19-2017 07:48 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by jay brademeyer
Well I don't know about any of y'all but my experience has shown me that anything I had that suited me took allot of time and work.. They don't get made with your rear parked on the tailgate sipping coffee and devouring chocolate chip cookies. Or as some do it sleeping in the cab of their pickup truck. About 95% of the people that I know that hated Lipper dogs were fellas that had a huge void in the ambition Department , and were afraid of the dark.... I'm probably going to piss a bunch of people off over this but I really don't care. Lipper dogs for dang sure were a lot of work and there were a bunch of garbage , heck there was 5000 of them there's bound to be some junk, but there was some darn good hounds that were freaks of nature that were out of lipper and those are the ones that got me to believe in the lipper and his offspring had the ingredients to produce the type of dogs that I enjoy. It's kind of funny that some people want to look back and discredit something that is already went down in history it's over it's done with, and if some of us are able to, and have the means to reconnect with some of that blood what's the problem? why is it such a big deal , and why does it piss you off so bad? It's going to be ok... the Sun is going to rise tomorrow in the east. It's going to be ok. Everybody has the right to enjoy what we want and if you don't like it you don't have to.... you can go in the direction that you're going.... nobody's grabbing you on the street and pointing you in a different direction and making you go somewhere that you don't want to go.... you don't have to... it's your choice. But I know everybody has an opinion, and I mean everybody.. and we also have the right to form and express them.


Best comment on this post.
Not everyone likes the same things.
Not everyone trains the same or hunts 6 nights a week.
But everyone is entitled to what they like and shouldn't need to have all the experts on the UKC board tell them how wrong they are.
Comp hounds aren't what everyone is looking for. Good solid trustworthy hounds are what the average person wants, or I would hope.
If your willing to put the time and effort into a pup to make him what you prefer then that is all that should matter.
I'm very proud of our Rowdy/Hope pups. All 12 are showing so much promise, drive and good sense.

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ACHA CHT x3 Broken Roads Little Texas (Kentucky River Rowdy x Houses Lipper's Hope)
CH Broken Roads Southern Stylish Boom (Kentucky River Rowdy x Houses Lipper's Hope)
Broken Road's Rowdy Lil Miss (Kentucky River Rowdy x Houses Lipper's Hope)
Broken Road's Meabie I will (Lipper's Rooster x Missy)
Broken Roads IMA Boomer2 (UKC NATL GRCH GRNTCH Honest Abe x Broken Roads Southern Stylish Boom
~~~~~Watch out!~~~~~
They just might make an IMPACT!

and the girls...Punkin and Tater!

Gone by never forgotten ~ Fly high my beautiful angels
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~ CCH CH Southforks September Rain
~ Martin's Daisy JJ (what a beautiful litter you left behind)
~ Luke, the lab who brought us so many doves and ducks over the years
~ UKC GRCH,ACHA CH 2014 LWCH 2014 2 x's ACHA YOUTH WCH AKC CH AKC CH 'PR' Kentucky River Mundar ~ (Kentucky River Rowdy frozen semen) DNA Profiled ~ Fly high, old friend.

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Posted by Mike Van Dusen on 01-19-2017 08:09 PM:

One thing is for sure, Ol'Lipper can sure stur things up, back then and even today!
Joe might of culled Lipper, but he sure was proud of Lipper's son Lawyer, he would ride him around in his pick-up truck,he must of liked something about them hounds!

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Posted by yadkintar on 01-19-2017 09:01 PM:

Jay I ran damage control this morning because I love you man lol. I had a good time with this but rumors are ok but when the facts come out that can hurt sombody I am out y'all have fun.


Posted by jay brademeyer on 01-19-2017 09:07 PM:

That crap isn't new..... Heard all that 25 Years ago... Like Michael said nobody has any long dark secrets....

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Posted by yadkintar on 01-19-2017 09:25 PM:

Jay come on man you know better lets just leave it there only reason nothing happened is because of the $$$$$ and you and me both know it and there is a secrect and only a few know it I can't help your up in Alaska with the Eskimos and don't hear things lol. To late in the game to tarnish sombodys reputation over a dead dog y'all do what you believe in if you like somthing stick with it it will make the news if your successfull then you don't have to get on here and brag it up yourself. I ain't got nothing to brag about accept I woke up today without dirt in my face.


Posted by V. Cannon on 01-19-2017 09:43 PM:

The reason rumors surface is because of the facts other people know.


Posted by brandon little on 01-19-2017 09:44 PM:

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Posted by Josh Michaelis on 01-19-2017 09:50 PM:

This is like high school football......

You guys need to just let it go........its over........

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Posted by yadkintar on 01-19-2017 09:52 PM:

Brandon no disrespect you need to read the book before you go tellen the story there are two titled dogs out of rattler seman up there now that's 1 more than the impact litter had and they are hunting the others. And they are a hell of a lot younger than the impact litter.


Posted by Josh Michaelis on 01-19-2017 09:53 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by yadkintar
Brandon no disrespect you need to read the book before you go tellen the story there are two titled dogs out of rattler seman up there now that's 1 more than the impact litter had and they are hunting the others. And they are a hell of a lot younger than the impact litter.


That is because the Litter of Impact were all too valuable to hunt I think.

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Posted by brandon little on 01-19-2017 09:59 PM:

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Posted by wjoey on 01-19-2017 10:36 PM:

You boys and girls are just too much fun, Is the lipper semen real ? is the Yadkin tar rattler semen real ? is the Spring creek rock semen real ?is it any good ????? Does dna really work?? Is dna 100% to the fact on lipper and tar rattler I will bet no , can we go dig em up and test it they would proubally say sure and take you to the dogs grave that was related to them that got collected so how would you know??????????????? The dna stream would be close enough for a match I bet, why did UKC swap dna labs ???? is there a problem ???? why wont one transfer to the other ??? its dna right ?????but heck I know nothing about dna all I know is you swab a dogs mouth pay $45 and you get a piece of paper lol,, why have these dogs not been cloned it is possible now you know!!!!

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Posted by MIKE CARDER on 01-20-2017 12:09 AM:

Well let's not stop



And...


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Posted by Tx Dave on 01-20-2017 12:44 AM:

Litter of Impact

I usually stay out of this kind of argument, but this one seems to come up once a month. The reason the majority of the dogs out of the litter of impact are not titled is simple. The people that own them do not competition hunt. Plain and simple. It has nothing to do with the ability of the dogs. Their owners are pleasure hunters. Only a couple were even competition hunted. One is titled and won i believe the North Dakota state hunt( may be wrong on the state). Impact has money won in $KC and was not campaigned very hard to my understanding. The Rooster male i am not sure about weather he was comp hunted or not, but the people that have hunted with him say he is all coondog. Lucille is owned by Mr Camp and Impact is owned by Shannon Biggs. You will not find anybody that has hunted with either one of them that do not speak highly of them and their ability treeing coons. Mr Camp and Shannon both think a lot of their dogs and both are stand up, honest men that i have a lot of respect for. Only one of the litter went straight to the stud pen and is seems like the entire litter gets grouped into that category. I think there was so much hype about this litter that everyone of them could have won the world and it would not have been enough to satisfy some. The people that own them just enjoy coon hunting for pleasure. That does not automatically mean that these dogs are not capable of winning. This was not meant to rub anybody the wrong way, it is just my opinion and observation.


Posted by HARRY FIELDS on 01-20-2017 12:52 AM:

Hidden valley Rock attack

Rocks mouth was just like lipper's !

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Posted by joey on 01-20-2017 12:55 AM:

Oh it's easy to understand why some many people like to joke about that litter. It was hype hype hype for dang near a year. Tom basically told everyone that the walker dogs as a breed had been ruined and he was going to fix it with this cross. So what would anyone expect? Tom was used to advertising in stud adds where you could say anything you wanted. It was a mistake to do that on the internet. Did the cross make an impact on anything? Yep sure did I have one out of Jay's gyp that is turning out to be one of the best I have ever walked behind. So it had an impact on me.

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Posted by Cleo on 01-20-2017 12:58 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by joey
Oh it's easy to understand why some many people like to joke about that litter. It was hype hype hype for dang near a year. Tom basically told everyone that the walker dogs as a breed had been ruined and he was going to fix it with this cross. So what would anyone expect? Tom was used to advertising in stud adds where you could say anything you wanted. It was a mistake to do that on the internet. Did the cross make an impact on anything? Yep sure did I have one out of Jay's gyp that is turning out to be one of the best I have ever walked behind. So it had an impact on me.


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ACHA CHT x3 Broken Roads Little Texas (Kentucky River Rowdy x Houses Lipper's Hope)
CH Broken Roads Southern Stylish Boom (Kentucky River Rowdy x Houses Lipper's Hope)
Broken Road's Rowdy Lil Miss (Kentucky River Rowdy x Houses Lipper's Hope)
Broken Road's Meabie I will (Lipper's Rooster x Missy)
Broken Roads IMA Boomer2 (UKC NATL GRCH GRNTCH Honest Abe x Broken Roads Southern Stylish Boom
~~~~~Watch out!~~~~~
They just might make an IMPACT!

and the girls...Punkin and Tater!

Gone by never forgotten ~ Fly high my beautiful angels
~ GRCH GNTCH PKC SC Toucan Sam
~CH Toucan's Ugly Betty
~ CCH CH Southforks September Rain
~ Martin's Daisy JJ (what a beautiful litter you left behind)
~ Luke, the lab who brought us so many doves and ducks over the years
~ UKC GRCH,ACHA CH 2014 LWCH 2014 2 x's ACHA YOUTH WCH AKC CH AKC CH 'PR' Kentucky River Mundar ~ (Kentucky River Rowdy frozen semen) DNA Profiled ~ Fly high, old friend.

"The WILL of God will never take you where the GRACE of God can not protect you!"


Posted by yadkintar on 01-20-2017 07:51 AM:

I have changed my mind i now want a straw of lipper seman for my self you lipper loven boys are ripe for the picken !!


Posted by Triple K Kennel on 01-20-2017 11:33 AM:

Re: Litter of Impact

quote:
Originally posted by Tx Dave
I usually stay out of this kind of argument, but this one seems to come up once a month. The reason the majority of the dogs out of the litter of impact are not titled is simple. The people that own them do not competition hunt. Plain and simple. It has nothing to do with the ability of the dogs. Their owners are pleasure hunters. Only a couple were even competition hunted. One is titled and won i believe the North Dakota state hunt( may be wrong on the state). Impact has money won in $KC and was not campaigned very hard to my understanding. The Rooster male i am not sure about weather he was comp hunted or not, but the people that have hunted with him say he is all coondog. Lucille is owned by Mr Camp and Impact is owned by Shannon Biggs. You will not find anybody that has hunted with either one of them that do not speak highly of them and their ability treeing coons. Mr Camp and Shannon both think a lot of their dogs and both are stand up, honest men that i have a lot of respect for. Only one of the litter went straight to the stud pen and is seems like the entire litter gets grouped into that category. I think there was so much hype about this litter that everyone of them could have won the world and it would not have been enough to satisfy some. The people that own them just enjoy coon hunting for pleasure. That does not automatically mean that these dogs are not capable of winning. This was not meant to rub anybody the wrong way, it is just my opinion and observation.


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I agree with this 100%.......

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Posted by wjoey on 01-20-2017 12:04 PM:

Re: Well let's not stop

quote:
Originally posted by MIKE CARDER


And...





You forgot Limo and spring creek rock

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Posted by wjoey on 01-20-2017 12:09 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by yadkintar
I have changed my mind i now want a straw of lipper seman for my self you lipper loven boys are ripe for the picken !!

Sorry its all been taken sold out in 5 min at 10k a straw I got 1 straw left and I'm gona mix it with my ytr semen may even throw some spring creek rock in the tube, stir it gently so not to ness the genetics up and breed a dog of the highest caliber, pups will be a impact on your pocket book for sure .

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UKC PREFORMANCE SIRE Nt ch pkc ch BAM BAM The only one out of WORLD CH BIG D X GRNT SKIPPERS UMFORGIVEN SAIGE she has 21 pups 4nt ch 5 grnt ch thats 42.85%
He is a coon dog!
Nt ch ch Insane Minnie MouseInsane cain x Malden Branch Mouse

HOME OF 2 TIME AQHA HORSE OF THE YEAR
World champion working cow horse snaffle bit
SMART LITTLE LEGEND
ETCHA CHAMPION
HCHA CHAMPION
Top 16 NCHA WORLD Champion
Home of GHSRA All Around Cowboy Champion Chris wilbanks

Jerico Rebel our Movie star horse hes been in three films now 35 years old
Just passed away February 4th 2016

MY OLD DOGS GONE BUT NEVER FORGOTTEN
The one I will allways miss now deceased 01/09/2013
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GR NT STYLISH TACK - WENDY X STYLISH LIPPER

NT CH SOUTHERN STYLE - JP'S HIGH STYLE X HOUSES LADY


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