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Originally posted by Reuben
In my limited experience I will say that a line of dogs is supposed to get better because I have seen and done it...

The absolute best dog I ever bred in my backyard and trained was a dog I named Yeller... I consider him to be the best I ever hunted and I have hunted some good ones who were mostly related to Yeller...but as weird as it sounds I only bred him once to my dogs but they were all related to him if not all it was most of them...I just knew there was no way he could breed true...a once in a lifetime dog does not reproduce himself because he is too far away from normal...so these traits must be recessives and I don’t think the normal genetic makeup is not there to reproduce itself...to make a dominant recessive there has to be both sets of the same from each parent if I understand it correctly...but those weren’t my only reasons...he was also a crossbred dog...cowdog/hogdog from the sires side and coondog/beardog from the dams side...I crossed that cowdog because the owner said he was a smart dog and I wanted to lock in the size and tighter mouth...

I do not think I will have another like him in my lifetime but the biggest difference between great dogs and once in a lifetime dogs is brain power...the once in a lifetime dogs almost have magical powers like knowing they will outstrike the other dog because they just know it...and finding game for them is just as easy...

I just wonder how many pups were not identified or maybe just ruined and/or they were never found out...

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No problem..I speak as I see it...Yeller was the best I ever had...and there is no doubt which side of the family was best...no comparison...so I chose that route and bred Yellers son named buck to the females I kept and then bred Buck to a few of his own daughters(all mt cur with that bit of BMC)...some were granddaughters and other relations on pedigree as well...I did say earlier that I place way more value in what’s in a dog than just what a dog can do...didn’t say it like that but that is what I meant...a dog is complete when he hunts right and is bred right...from hearing some of the competition folks talk you can get duds from world champion pedigrees...that is confusing to me and have my theories why...

I do not think there is much anyone can say to me without me coming back with a quick answer on account I believe I have turned over every stone that I could think of and once I answered all my questions I moved forward...not saying I am right but I did it because I thought and believed I was right...

Novicane65...I appreciate you questioning that reasoning...again I am not saying I am right but if I had to do it again I would do it the same way except keep some straws from Yeller and a few others...

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Y'all realize that crossbred dogs have been being bred and winning money for decades without hurting anything right?

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Originally posted by Josh Michaelis
Y'all realize that crossbred dogs have been being bred and winning money for decades without hurting anything right?

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Heck when it comes right down to it you likely don't need more than one hand
to count the number of actual family bred bloodlines within each of the supposed UKC pure bred breeds do you? I'm speaking about the (6) breeds UKC has recognized from the late 40's up through until the Leopard Hounds and more recently X-Bred hounds were taken in.

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Crossbreds

I must admit that I was a little bit upset at the original post indicating "mixed up junk". I have been involved as a coon hunter for over 60 years, I hunted with my dad at an early age and I am almost 71 (Oct.). My dad hunted from a young age and almost all of the dogs were grade dogs in those days. Those dogs were not junk and the Cross bred dogs of today are not junk. Rarely did those digs tree and not have the meat, slick treeing dogs were not tolerated in these mountains. I still don't tolerate a slick treeing dog, I am coon hunting not hunting trees! The competition hunts requiring registered dogs ( self serving to the registry) to hunt in their hunts was what started everyone wanting registered dogs. I remember most of the early papers were yellow papered, as they had plenty of unknown blood on a 3 generation pedigree. For many years single registration occurred and put new genes into the breeding pool. Many behind the barn crosses added new blood or genes to this pool albeit not authorized by the registry, it definitely happened. Now we can cross breed any register the offspring and you have folks saying this practice is wrong. PR. BRED is just a marketing tool and if DNA had been in place from the start, folks would understand that their PUREBREDS were not so pure. I for one don't care as long as the dogs ability suits me. Dave

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Dave Richards Treeing Walkers Reg American Saddlebred and Registered Rocky Mt. Show Horses

Good post Dave

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It’s nice to see other people that have good sound logic. I feel Eric, Dave, and Dan have all but summed up exactly what I’ve seen played out over time. I don’t think anybody would question a good sound breeding within a family line as long as the parents are of exceptional quality. Problem is, money or papers, have clouded the eyes of men and instead of breeding to the best performer they breed to the dog that allows them to maintain registered dogs for whatever reason. There is no way the xbreed program can hurt anything. If you don’t agree with it, don’t use it. But it gives men an option to breed the best he can find and then show them to the world unlike in years past.

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Crossbreds

Hounds like Big Country and others have way to much to offer in ability for those wanting to make a cross to them to pay any attention to the PR status. My once in a lifetime dog was a bluetick Cross BRED and I had to hunt his as a grade dog, he dominated the hunts in his day winning the grade part and high scoring dog of the hunt most of the time. Still, I never got to put him in the major hunts like Grand American, Autumn Oaks, etc. He would have held his own in any hunt in the country. Now these men like Eric, Josh, Ghost, and anyone else will have that opportunity to hunt their cross breed dogs in any hunt they desire. I look forward to seeing some of the crosses from Big Country and the other breeds as they get old enough to compete in the hunts. Let's see who calls them mixed up mutts then. Dave

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Re: Crossbreds

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Originally posted by Dave Richards
I look forward to seeing some of the crosses from Big Country and the other breeds as they get old enough to compete in the hunts. Let's see who calls them mixed up mutts then. Dave

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Josh

Thanks for pointing that out, while I was aware of these facts, there are lots of folks that did not know just how much the xbreed have won. I commend those who have the desire to breed coondog to coondog regardless of breed , those trying to get the best coondog and are not concerned about a PR pedigree. Dave

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Dave Richards Treeing Walkers Reg American Saddlebred and Registered Rocky Mt. Show Horses

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Originally posted by Dave Richards
Thanks for pointing that out, while I was aware of these facts, there are lots of folks that did not know just how much the xbreed have won. I commend those who have the desire to breed coondog to coondog regardless of breed , those trying to get the best coondog and are not concerned about a PR pedigree. Dave

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Josh

You bet, I would not mind owning any of those mixed up junk dogs. I coon hunt and want ability over any set of papers with PR in front. Dave

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Re: Josh

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Originally posted by Dave Richards
You bet, I would not mind owning any of those mixed up junk dogs. I coon hunt and want ability over any set of papers with PR in front. Dave

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Re: Josh

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Originally posted by Dave Richards
You bet, I would not mind owning any of those mixed up junk dogs. I coon hunt and want ability over any set of papers with PR in front. Dave

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Eric DePue

Lol. We both know that any real coon hunter would love to own any of those top xbreed coon dogs. Truth is most folks never get to own a exceptional coondog of any breed, they are scarce. I would jump at the chance for another exceptional coondog, regardless of the breed. Dave

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Dave Richards Treeing Walkers Reg American Saddlebred and Registered Rocky Mt. Show Horses

Eric DePue

Double post

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Dave Richards Treeing Walkers Reg American Saddlebred and Registered Rocky Mt. Show Horses

How did the X- breds do in the World last night?

Mr. Lambert

I would say better than the Redbones done, looks like the Redbones were scratched , none of the xbreed were scratched, you decide how they done. Also, they fared just as well as the Plotts and the Leopards done. Looks like the 3 original xbreeds Walkers, English and Blueticks make up 25 out of the 26 left ( 1 Black and Tan), one if the Walkers is actually a cross breed Ace is out of the same cross that Ruby was only from a younger litter. Hummmmmmmmmmmm. Dave. P. S. Forgot about Cecil, that makes 2 xbreed that are shown as Walkers.

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Dave Richards Treeing Walkers Reg American Saddlebred and Registered Rocky Mt. Show Horses

Ace and Cecil are crossbred for sure, oh my goodness richard... how did the redbones do?

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Seth Olson

One mans mixed up junk is another mans best friend , everyone is free to feed and hunt what they want.

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Xbreeds

Chuck, you are so right, hunt what you like. I just wanted to make a very valid point with these posts and that is I refuse to allow someone to call the xbreeds junk. I respect it if someone only hunts their "purebreds" but get a burr under my butt when they call the xbreeds junk. I don't care what any man breeds, sells or hunts, it's their choice. Just don't call another man's xbreed junk. I know that most of the so called purebred have something else in the gene pool. Dave

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Dave Richards Treeing Walkers Reg American Saddlebred and Registered Rocky Mt. Show Horses

Xbreeds

Chuck, you are so right, hunt what you like. I just wanted to make a very valid point with these posts and that is I refuse to allow someone to call the xbreeds junk. I respect it if someone only hunts their "purebreds" but get a burr under my butt when they call the xbreeds junk. I don't care what any man breeds, sells or hunts, it's their choice. Just don't call another man's xbreed junk. I know that most of the so called purebred have something else in the gene pool. Dave

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Dave Richards Treeing Walkers Reg American Saddlebred and Registered Rocky Mt. Show Horses

Honest question. Not trying to be smart. How or why 2 dogs shown a TW really crossbred?

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Tom Wood

Honest question. Not trying to be smart. How or why are 2 dogs shown as TW really crossbred?

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