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Posted by Richard Lambert on 03-11-2022 04:57 PM:

Oh my goodness talk about propaganda and brainwashing, Putin has convinced Russian citizens and soldiers that by attacking Ukraine they are attacking the USA. He has told Russians that America is the reason that their economy is collapsing and that Ukraine is just part of America. He tells them that because America is supporting Ukraine, if they destroy Ukraine they are destroying part of the USA.

That is what the Russian soldiers are saying to justify their actions. The sad thing is Putin probably believes this in his own mind. He is probably overjoyed at what is happening to our economy. I bet that he loves it that Biden is blaming everything on Russia. Putin is making sure that Russian's hear all of Biden's remarks but none of Zelensky's.

Posted by sleepy head on 03-11-2022 05:56 PM:

It's nice that the American citizen doesn't have to worry about false propaganda coming from our government and media

Posted by bloxhdc on 03-11-2022 06:16 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by sleepy head
It's nice that the American citizen doesn't have to worry about false propaganda coming from our government and media

Ain’t that the truth. Lol

Posted by Richard Lambert on 03-12-2022 04:51 PM:

Russians are saying that the sanctions are backfiring. Putin has been able to convince them that the Western World is attacking them with the sanctions. They think that they are going to have to "fight back". As soon as they destroy Ukraine, they will start on the next country. The Russian people are ready for World War 3. I bet that Biden can't wait for his term to be up so that he can step down and go back to his basement.

Posted by Richard Lambert on 03-12-2022 05:09 PM:

Putin and the Russians could care less about the charges of War Crimes. Before any Russians could be arrested the West or NATO would have to win World War 3 against Russia. How else could they go into Russia to arrest anyone?

Posted by Richard Lambert on 03-13-2022 11:40 PM:

Does anyone remember when Putin first invaded Ukraine to save the Ukrainian people?

Posted by Richard Lambert on 03-14-2022 12:54 AM:

History repeats itself...

In 1913 Joseph Stalin the leader of Russia intentionly starved to death 3.9 million Ukrainians and the Western World didn't do anything about it. Stalin wanted the independant Ukrainian farmers to become communist farmers. So he took all of their food and started a famine that killed 3.9 million Ukrainians. Putin is not the first Russian murderer to try to wipe out the Ukrainians for his own political purposes. The Ukrainians have been through this before. They are tough survivors.

Posted by Robert Johnson on 03-14-2022 12:46 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lambert
History repeats itself...

In 1913 Joseph Stalin the leader of Russia intentionly starved to death 3.9 million Ukrainians and the Western World didn't do anything about it. Stalin wanted the independant Ukrainian farmers to become communist farmers. So he took all of their food and started a famine that killed 3.9 million Ukrainians. Putin is not the first Russian murderer to try to wipe out the Ukrainians for his own political purposes. The Ukrainians have been through this before. They are tough survivors.

The democrats want us to erase the history books so folks can't read about stuff like this and how it seems to circle back around.

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Posted by Richard Lambert on 03-14-2022 03:36 PM:

The Ukrainians are to the Russian Government just like the American Indians are to the US Government.

Posted by Richard Lambert on 03-14-2022 03:49 PM:

Ukraine exports 12% of the world's wheat supply. Together, Russia and Ukraine export 30% of the World's wheat supply. Putin would love to control this just as Stalin attempted to do. Putin knows that if he can control the world's oil supply and food supply, he will control the World.
30% of the oil that Russia sells to EU countries flows through Ukraine. Have y'all noticed that the first part of Ukraine that Russian troops captured and occupied is the area around the black sea. These sea ports are where all of the goods that Ukraine exports are shipped out of. A large % of Russia's exports also have to be sent through Ukraine and shipped out of these same ports. The eastern part of Ukraine that Russia "annexed" or captured, including the Donesk region is part of this corridor. Putin's invasion of Ukraine has nothing to do with the people. It is all about geography and agricultural and mineral exports. Putin could care less about the people. That is why he is bombing and completely destroying cities and killing all of the civilians. He doesn't need them.

Posted by Richard Lambert on 03-15-2022 06:18 PM:

Do y'all remember when our Commander in Chief told President Zelensky to tuck tail and run? Biden wanted Zelensky to leave and just let Putin have Ukraine. Today the Prime Ministers of Poland, Czechoslovakia and Slovenia are traveling across Ukraine to the capital to meet with Zelensky. Can you imagine our chicken leader doing that?

Posted by Richard Lambert on 03-15-2022 08:41 PM:

More History....

During the Korean War Russia supplied the North Koreans with fighter jets to attack US forces with.

During the Viet Nam war Russia suppled the North Vietnamese with fighter jets to attack American soldiers with.

Apparantly our Dictator does not know much about history. In both instances nothing was done to Russia in retaliation.

Posted by Robert Johnson on 03-16-2022 12:27 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lambert
More History....

During the Korean War Russia supplied the North Koreans with fighter jets to attack US forces with.

During the Viet Nam war Russia suppled the North Vietnamese with fighter jets to attack American soldiers with.

Apparantly our Dictator does not know much about history. In both instances nothing was done to Russia in retaliation.

we have no leaders in Washington DC

Posted by honalieh on 03-17-2022 05:13 AM:

Ukraine

If the Russian invasion were to expand, it would expand into other European countries.

Europe would suffer the greatest consequences of an expanded war. Therefore, they should have the greatest input into any actions that will be taken. Europe has to take leadership of this situation (with our support).

Posted by Triple K Kennel on 03-17-2022 12:03 PM:

Ukraine

It's sad as to what the Ukrainian People are going thru, but with War this is the stuff you get from it. They have done a good job of holding off the Russians.
I think that the USA & its Alliance have done a pretty good job in aiding Ukraine and without going into War with Russia. Between the Sanctions & World Isolation, Putin is feeling the Effects pretting hard. It's just not working out the way he had it planned.
Putin is a Monster and can't be trusted or underestimated.
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Posted by 4play on 03-17-2022 02:29 PM:

Re: Ukraine

quote:
Originally posted by honalieh
If the Russian invasion were to expand, it would expand into other European countries.

Europe would suffer the greatest consequences of an expanded war. Therefore, they should have the greatest input into any actions that will be taken. Europe has to take leadership of this situation (with our support).

Get on RT tv website.
Was on Dish but has disappeared.
They say on there it's Putin and China's plan to start "New World Order"

Lots of topics discussed we will never see/hear on 'regular' Tv/media outlets.
Incl; CNN,NBC,ABC,MSNBC,FOX,Newsmax and etc.

Not saying what they talk about is 'true'.Just a different look at what's going on for sure.

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Posted by Richard Lambert on 03-17-2022 09:07 PM:

Oh my goodness, Putin has not been able to bomb Ukraine civillians into submission from land so he is now sending Russian warships to the coast of Ukraine. Will lily livered Biden allow the Russian battleships to arrive and start blasting away at Ukrainian citizens? Or will he stop them before they get there like JFK stopped the Russian ships headed to Cuba? Now we all know that Putin is not going to attack American forces or start a World War. It is ridiculous for lily livered Biden to say that he doesn't want to provoke Russia. Putin is a mad man and a big bully but he isn't that stupid. He knows that America is no Ukraine.

Posted by Robert Johnson on 03-18-2022 02:08 PM:

in a conventional war, America would run through Russia like crap through a goose. We should have left Patton alone and turned him loose in 1945. There would be no worry of a mad man now.

Posted by Richard Lambert on 03-18-2022 07:00 PM:

Why should we be worried about Putin using a nuclear weapon in Ukraine? Shouldn't Putin be worrying about what we would if he does?

Posted by Reuben on 03-19-2022 10:49 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Oh my goodness, Putin has not been able to bomb Ukraine civillians into submission from land so he is now sending Russian warships to the coast of Ukraine. Will lily livered Biden allow the Russian battleships to arrive and start blasting away at Ukrainian citizens? Or will he stop them before they get there like JFK stopped the Russian ships headed to Cuba? Now we all know that Putin is not going to attack American forces or start a World War. It is ridiculous for lily livered Biden to say that he doesn't want to provoke Russia. Putin is a mad man and a big bully but he isn't that stupid. He knows that America is no Ukraine.

I think the only thing Biden is worried about is that Putin has something on him so comatose joe has to create a lot of make believe smoke screens to make it look like he is trying to stop Putin…their plan isn’t working very well…

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Posted by Triple K Kennel on 03-20-2022 01:28 AM:

Plan

quote:
Originally posted by Reuben
I think the only thing Biden is worried about is that Putin has something on him so comatose joe has to create a lot of make believe smoke screens to make it look like he is trying to stop Putin…their plan isn’t working very well…

Not a Biden Supporter.......But I will say I think how he has handled this situation that he has done very well, keeping our Troops out of Ukraine & sending other means of support to Ukraine. He is letting the World see how Evil & Ruthless Putin actually is.
Putin doesn't have anything on Joe....that's just a bunch of hogwash.....sending Drones, Ammunition & other Weapons to Ukraine told the story on that.
It's so bad for Putin he now needs China and they ain't stepping in to helping with Military options.
Tim

Posted by Redneck Mafia on 03-21-2022 08:01 PM:

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...wn-on-division/
How very democratic of him! Funny he has left the Neo-Nazi parties in place. He's got to keep the globalist happy so they will continue to provide him with weapons of war.

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Posted by Richard Lambert on 03-21-2022 09:14 PM:

"Weapons of War??? Don't you mean weapons to keep alive? Are they using those weapons to attack Russia or to try and keep Russian soldiers from bombing and killing Ukrainian women and children? That sure is a low blow..."weapons of war", oh my goodness.

Posted by Redneck Mafia on 03-22-2022 04:56 AM:

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Originally posted by Richard Lambert
"Weapons of War??? Don't you mean weapons to keep alive? Are they using those weapons to attack Russia or to try and keep Russian soldiers from bombing and killing Ukrainian women and children? That sure is a low blow..."weapons of war", oh my goodness.

Did you even read the article? As part of his martial law he has ordered a ban on opposition political parties and some news agencies. One of the political parties is the one that came in second to him and his unusual landslide victory (much like Putin). It would be like us in the mist of war to be banned by the democrats for having opposing views. After he was elected he set out to silence opposition by jailing and shutting down news that did not agree with him, this is a further far reaching ban. He's not interested in democracy he has been a globalist tyrant. The average citizens that have taken up arms are but there is a large Neo-Nazi presence that is using this conflict for their own agenda as are globalist.
Who is hiding amongst these innocent women and children? It is a tactic that has been used against us in several wars. How many civilians did we kill in WW1, WW2, Korean War, Vietnam and the many in the decades long conflict throughout the Middle East? Who is the enemy? Who has taken up arms? Unfortunately, collateral damage happens during wars whether your the good guys or the bad and to our Government's here and abroad the general population are nothing but mere minions.
Zelensky is as corrupt as Putin and our own government and those in most of the EU no better. Do not let your sympathy for the regular Ukrainian people prevent you from seeing the big picture. We helped stage a coup there in 2013-14, we helped to install new powers and we have done this in many other places. Our CiA has trained Neo-Nazi soldiers. Zelensky was a vastly unpopular president previous to this "war". He and previous administration are responsible for the killing of thousands of Ukrainian people in the Donetsk region. This is a multifaceted conflict not the 2D Russia bad Ukraine good our press has made it out to be.
So now we are supposed to be on the side of the Neo-Nazi's lol.
I'm on the side of the minions here and there and even in Russia. Who do sanctions punish?

Posted by Richard Lambert on 03-22-2022 02:13 PM:

Neo-Nazi??? You do know that he is Jewish, don't you? What country invaded Ukraine? Who are they fighting against? What country was backing those political parties that he banned? Their candidates were Putin puppets. Wasn't one of them tried and convicted of selling Ukrainian military secrets to Russia? Yes I did read the article.
No country has as much freedom as our country. It is hard to compare them to ours. Why should the Ukrainian people have to suffer because their government doesn't meet your standards. They are at war and have no police departments left. I would expect them to turn to martial law and curfews.

"Neo-Nazi"... oh my goodness, that is right up there with "weapons of war"... You have been listening to Putin's propaganda.

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