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Posted by timber hunter on 01-05-2012 02:45 PM:

Hi Tom

So happy to have Red, I am going to have enough semen taken off him for 30 breedings this month. Regarding Max I have never had a pup start like this pup before. I am sure you read my post Music to my ears. I hope the whole litter starts the same as Max. I believe that Red has a lot of good stuff that can help the breed!

Hopefully we can get it done in the hunts this spring too!

Blessings John

Posted by Borgstadt on 01-05-2012 06:58 PM:

Hey Tom I hope you had a wonderful Christmas and happy new year! I am hunting Randy's dog, rocky, for a month or so but hunting has been rough lately. I did manage to win my cast last Thursday night with plus points at a pkc hunt. I hope winter isn't to rough on you!
Kyle

Posted by topdog on 01-06-2012 01:00 AM:

Winter

Hey Kyle...winter has been good to us so far this year. It was near 50 today and that's kind of crazy for this part of the country. I'm not complaining though, every day like this shortens the winter some and I can live with that.

We haven't been hunting much lately but will probably gear it up some over the next month or so just to get the dogs thinking right again before spring hunting and competition. We've got a couple of nice young prospects coming along again and I'm looking forward to how they come on this spring...I'm pretty excited about it and I think folks will see why over the next few months.

I'm glad to hear that you're at least getting a little hunting in yet this winter, it's a good way to spend the time during these winter months, no matter how it goes.

Take care, I hope you all had a great Christmas and that you're all looking forward to a really prosperous and exciting New Year.

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Posted by Browntown's Red on 01-06-2012 02:47 AM:

MOE report.

Hey Tom,
Me and MOE had to take care of alot over the last 6 months. Still more to come. But Moe is really looking good, he is coming into a 2 year old very nice. Will give you more in the weeks to come.

Posted by topdog on 01-06-2012 03:36 PM:

Welcome back

Hey Robbie, it's great to see you back and I'm glad to hear that Moe is back also.

Life is a series of twists and turns for sure...we just gotta hold the course as best we can and sooner or later, the tunnel opens up into a bright new world again.

It's always amazing to stop and think about how young Moe, Joe, Badger, Slim and their sister really are...it seems like they've been around forever but not even past being a pup yet...eh?

I'm always here to help however I can so don't hesitate to call on me if you need me.

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Posted by CARL GUDGEON on 01-11-2012 02:54 AM:

Huntng

I took a frist timer out last night with Chance and Chief and treed a layup. dogs looked good on a full moon.

Collin Landis with the coon.

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Posted by Browntown's Red on 01-12-2012 09:17 PM:

Is there a bloodline outside of your T-Top line, that you have not seen pair up yet that you think would do well with it?
or
What about a cross with Moose being on both top sides like Rabble was on the cross for MOE ?

Just a few things to think about?

Posted by topdog on 01-13-2012 02:10 AM:

Crosses

We're always looking for the next big thing...right now...I think that Dave Woofter's Ace dog might be real close to that as far as being able to reproduce what I like to see. Dave made a cross recently with a female called Mattie and Ace and I'd love to see one of those female pups get mated back to their Grand sire Yank or even one of their half brothers out of Ace and Cherry.

I believe that the mix of Rabble Rouser and females directly out of Pete was a good mix with the best of that mix coming out of Sage. Mya also produced some decent hounds that can track and tree coons and Cherry is one of those. I have a young male here out of Ace and Cherry that makes me want to make that cross again at all costs and I'm pretty sure we'll use that male with one of his aunts right here in the yard before too much longer...he has to prove out yet but I don't see anything yet that would indicate that he's not going to be a handful in competition in another 6 months or so...we'll see but I sure like him now.

Tight line breeding is either way right...or it's way wrong and it's all a matter of how the two dogs match up. One dog in a litter can be average but reproduce very good traits while others in the litter can be very good dogs but not be able to reproduce at all. It's a matter of finding the right dogs to put together and that takes time...and time...and time...and lots of woods time...and time...

A half brother/half sister cross between offspring from Moose might be a good match to make but ol' Moose has to get busy and put some pups on the ground if we're going to figure it out before he's too old to mate...although there are some straws out of him in cold storage so maybe not so much of an issue. There are crosses made already that will help bring some of that blood in Moose to the top, one way or another and then we'll see what works. I know that if he can reproduce himself consistently, it would be a good thing but a long ways to go before we get that all put together...Moose is just a 3 year old dog and has lived a big life already but still a lot of life ahead of him before these questions can be answered.

There are some good lines out there that are producing some good dogs and I don't know that we've mixed T-Top with them yet...but it's going to happen soon. There have been some crosses made already between very good lines but pups are all too young to prove out one way or the other yet. We'll keep messing around here in the background and before you know it...we'll have another one ready to go and doing some damage in competition and hopefully something good in the stud pen.

I'm getting older every year and it's harder and harder to prove these crosses out...someone else is going to have to do it. Our plan is to keep ourselves in dogs until we can't follow them anymore but in the mean time, we're going to start some good ones and give them to the right people to finish and then follow as far as they can go...then we'll see what the future brings.

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Posted by topdog on 01-13-2012 02:33 AM:

Badger

I got a few nice updates from BH on his Badger pup out of Moose and Leinie. He has been kind enough to send me these updates now and then but he recently sent a video along with some pictures so it was the first time I got to hear him on a tree since he left here several months ago.

Badger

Check out the video...

Badger is a nice young hound with a good future I think. He has learned his business mostly alone and Bret has done a nice job with him. He's not a finished hound yet at a year and a half old but he's got the tools and can track and tree his own coons on a regular basis. I'm looking forward to seeing this guy grow up along with some of his mates from that cross.

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Posted by Richard Lambert on 01-13-2012 02:42 AM:

...................................Rabble
.........................Moose
...................................Sally
..............Moe
.........................Leinie
...Pups
....................................Rabble
..........................Haze
....................................Pigeon
...............Chick
.....................................Little Zack
..........................Sally
.....................................Sweetie

Posted by topdog on 01-13-2012 12:51 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lambert

...................................Rabble
.........................Moose
...................................Sally
..............Moe
.........................Leinie
...Pups
....................................Rabble
..........................Haze
....................................Pigeon
...............Chick
.....................................Little Zack
..........................Sally
.....................................Sweetie

That would do it Richard...that's stacking up the dogs that I thiink made for a real nice cross and then bringing them back around again. I liked the Rabble and Sally cross as good as any and putthing these dogs together brings them both back twice in 3 generations, plus it puts one of my favorite dogs, Gr. Nt. Ch. PR T-Top Tree Talkin' Red Rat, back in there 3 times in 4 generations. Keeping what you like up close is a trick and it takes a lot of time to fall into place.

If semen is stored then you can do lots of interesting possibilities, John Biggert pretty much has that all figured out but it still takes time to prove those things out. I wish we had done more of that back in the day...but we always counted on the next generations to keep us in dogs and they continue to do that yet today. I give John credit for doing what he has and is doing with some of the bloodlines out there. I give the crew around him credit also for finding the good ones and putting many of those dogs out there in front of the public...there are a lot of nights in the woods, miles traveled and dollars spent to finish hounds like they did.

It is as important to follow through with training and hunting these new generations as it is to put the crosses together so I hope there are still some folks out there that are willing to get that job done......otherwise we'll just have to enjoy them and have a lot of fun ourselves...eh?

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Posted by Richard Lambert on 01-13-2012 02:12 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by topdog
......otherwise we'll just have to enjoy them and have a lot of fun ourselves...eh?

I can't have all of the fun myself. I need someone that likes to just have fun to step up and help me out. Bubba Driggers down in Mississippi said that he would try. Jason Guilliams, the Pro Handler, is going to try also but he is tied down a lot with work. I guess that I will have to bring this up at the board meeting tomorrow. We wish that you and Dave could attend. Buck will have to give you a report of what goes on.

Posted by Tim MACHA on 01-13-2012 02:20 PM:

I feel that the Rabble/Big G, by the way of Music, cross had to be one of the most consistant litters.

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Posted by Richard Lambert on 01-13-2012 03:01 PM:

There were several good/consistant litters out of Rabble. He tended to throw good litters, not just one hit wonders. The Rage/Peanut litter, the Haze/Sid litter, the Deuce/Red/Bo litter, the Moose/Willow litter are a few that come to mind. And these dogs are now beginning to produce their own litters. It is funny how that works.

Posted by topdog on 01-14-2012 01:09 AM:

Reports

I'm looking for all the reports I can get from this big get together out east...I'm thinking that it's going to be a rough go of it no matter how it works out...that's a pretty rough crew to gather all in one place...I'll probably have to send bail money that way just to get them all back to the cabin by sun-up.

No matter what...I'm looking forward to the summary of this big hunt...it doesn't matter if it's a BS session around the wood stove...in between munching lunch or if it's from the top of the mountain with a pack of hounds singing to the tree tops...it's gotta be good...eh?

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Posted by topdog on 01-14-2012 01:18 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lambert
There were several good/consistant litters out of Rabble. He tended to throw good litters, not just one hit wonders. The Rage/Peanut litter, the Haze/Sid litter, the Deuce/Red/Bo litter, the Moose/Willow litter are a few that come to mind. And these dogs are now beginning to produce their own litters. It is funny how that works.

Yep...it's the same story all over again...just a different verse and chapter. I like the whole process of waiting for that next big thing...never really knowing when it's coming but always having the chance to be a part of getting it off to the right start...Rabble produced something from every female he was put with...I just wish we could have gotten more done that what we did. Oh well...there are a lot of "next generations" still to come and who knows what they'll be.

I know one thing...if I can still walk and stay healthy, I'm gonna finish me a few more dogs in the hunts and help us find that next big thing...

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Posted by OUTLAW REDBONE on 01-16-2012 02:24 AM:

Tom

Wish you and Dave could have been here in Virginia this weekend.

Here is little Autumn with the BIG DAWG'S.

Autumn, Trip, Moose, and Chick

Trip, Moose, Autumn

The Frog Dawg, Willow, Sam, Da Moose, and Autumn....yes it started snowing on us.

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Posted by topdog on 01-16-2012 02:44 AM:

Hunt

The dogs all look good Buck, I wish we could have been there also. Winter hasn't been all that tough yet around this part of the country but it's the time we usually lay low waiting for better days to come around again.

All the dogs here are in good shape and looking good. The Katie female is in heat right now and I've got her penned up. She's the female I'd really like to put with Yank because she's out of Rebel, who is a full brother to old Rabble Rouser so it would be bringing it all around again real tight.

I figure it would be a good move considering that it would bring a lot of the good ones all back around again within 3-4 generations....

Dual Gr. Ch. PR T-Top Rabble Rouser
Dual Gr. Ch. PR McMillan's Stonewall Rebel
Gr. Nite Ch. PR T-Top Tree Talkin' Red Rat
Dual Gr. Ch. PR T-Top Rock-N-Red Raven
Gr. Nite Ch. Ch. PR T-Top Rocky
Gr. Nite Ch. PR Hoffmeister's Red Bomber
Gr. Nite Ch. PR Morrietta's Tree Ringin' Bell
Gr. Nite Ch. PR Hoffmeister's Rusty Red.
Nt. Ch. PR Go Man Sam

And of course, the good blood that Katie's dam comes from. Mostly PR dogs but going back a long ways and good coon stock all the way back.

There are some nice young hounds in those pictures along with some of these next generations still coming up so it seems the future looks bright.

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Posted by Richard Lambert on 01-16-2012 03:34 PM:

I love that first picture of Trip, Moose and Chick lined up side by side.

Posted by OUTLAW REDBONE on 01-16-2012 11:50 PM:

Tom

Here are a few more picture's.

Willow, Moose, Frog.........

Da Moose and The Frog Dawg in South Carolina

From camp this weekend

Posted by topdog on 01-18-2012 11:37 PM:

Fun time

The pictures of the dogs sure look good buck...but I can't understand why a bunch of grown men would be cooking a pile of rocks on a grill...

I suppose a guy can develop a taste for something like that...but I'm not one of those guys...

Anyway...what ever it takes to have a good get together...then that's what it takes...good dogs...good people...and rocks on a grill what the heck...

Just kidding...eh?

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Posted by lionslayer on 01-19-2012 01:45 AM:

heres a few lions

Its been a good season so far treeing 12 cats for cuz and slim are taking over for the old man but hes still doin his part.heres a few pics

Maggie,slim,cuz,and boomer

Cat

Lion

Yellow eyes

Don and stace with dons cat

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Posted by Tim MACHA on 01-19-2012 03:09 AM:

Wow

Those are some awesome lion pics. Nice looking group of red dogs at the base.

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Posted by topdog on 01-19-2012 12:22 PM:

Lion season

It looks and sounds like it was a nice season Mark...I imagine that those young dogs learned a thing or two from the old boy...and I'd guess it'll stick and help them be good hounds for a long time to come.

It looks like you folks are in for a blast of winter so maybe a few more good days of chasing on fresh snow. I remember you saying that you had to rely on frost on the road to check for tracks...that's getting to be some tough conditions to hunt lions in...good snow goes a long ways to make for better conditions...eh?

I'll be looking forward to a few more pictures as the winter moves on and I hope you guys have fresh snow every weekend.

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Posted by dlinkous on 01-19-2012 04:26 PM:

Re: Fun time

quote:
Originally posted by topdog
The pictures of the dogs sure look good buck...but I can't understand why a bunch of grown men would be cooking a pile of rocks on a grill...

I suppose a guy can develop a taste for something like that...but I'm not one of those guys...

Anyway...what ever it takes to have a good get together...then that's what it takes...good dogs...good people...and rocks on a grill what the heck...

Tom
times are tuff down here in the mountains, the economy is so bad we have gone to cooking anything, but these rocks got prizes inside...still couldnt get Paster Mike to try one though...you guys need to try and make one of these hunts we have a blast and even see some good dog work

David

Just kidding...eh?

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