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Posted by Brent Peel on 04-15-2013 07:08 PM:

You won't find many as knowledgeable or as good of man as Dow Hale.He is a good one that is for sure next time you talk to him tell him I said hello.

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2003 American Redbone Assoc.
Hunter of the Year
Home of:
GrNtCh PKC Ch 2x National GrNtCh English Ohio War NyHawk Co owned with Cody Sullivan

GrNtCh PKC Ch Dr Feelgood Co owned with Adam Huckaby
2016 Performance Points Runner Up Overall
2016 Performance Points Redbone Breed Winner
2016 American Redbone Days Overall Champion
1st Place NtCh & High Scoring Male Friday
1st Place NtCh & High Scoring Male Saturday
High Scoring Male Saturday 2014 American Redbone days Olney,IL.
1st Place RQE Marshall, Mo.
Double Cast Winner Winter Classic Batesville,Ms.
4th Place RQE Wartburg, TN.

GrNtCh Peels Burning River Rebel
2nd Place Reg. 2013 American Redbone Days

GrNtCh PKC CH Peel's Burning Pepper
2006 PKC Redbone Days Overall Champion

2005 American Redbone Days Overall Champion

ChGrNtCh PKCCh Stepp's Little Pepper
#1 Current Reproducer when he died
2003 US Redbone Days Overall
Champion
2003 American Redbone Days
Overall Champion
2002 US Redbone Days
Opposite Sex Champion
2002 American Redbone Days
Opposite Sex Champion
2001 Brooks Magill Memorial
Overall Champion
2000 NKC World Championship
19th Place Overall

GrChGrNtCh PKCCh Peel's Red Jewel II
1997 American Redbone Days
Opposite Sex Champion
1997 Brooks Magill Memorial Overall Champion

ChGrNtCh Peel's Red Pepper
ARCA Hall of Fame Member
1995 AKC World Championship High Scoring Redbone Male

Posted by TARriver red on 04-15-2013 11:54 PM:

Mr.Peel I will sure tell Mr.Dow you sail hello.

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Nite Ch, GrCH 2008 AKC World Champion Redbone Tar Rivers Rambling Red Rudy
Nite Ch Tar Rivers Rudy's Trudy "T"(2011 Grand American Final 4)

In Memory of
Ntch.Tar Rivers Red Alice
Gr Ch Hales Red Ruby
Gr Ch Tar Rivers Big Slick
Tar River Buddy

Posted by mmarshall on 04-22-2013 01:34 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by mmarshall
***************Grnt famous Amos
**********Grnt burning Ben
***************Grnt Betsy
*****Grnt jj
***************Grnt red oak mike
**********Grnt outlaw Jessie
***************Grnt graves bear creek ruby
*****Grnt glissons outlaw jjjr
***************Grnt famous Amos
**********Grnt burning Ben
***************Grnt Bets
*****Grnt wrights girlII
***************Grnt timber jack
**********Grnt outlaw timber girl
***************Grnt outlaw Jessie
PUPS
***************Grnt famous Amos
**********Grnt burning Ben
***************Grnt Betsy
******Grnt outlaw billy the kid
***************Grnt red oak mike
**********Grnt outlaw Jessie
***************Grnt graves bear creek ruby
*****Ntch outlaw billy jean
***************Grnt timber jack
**********Grnt too the max
***************Grnt Jenkins crying katie
*****Grnt nighty night amber
***************Grnt little pepper
**********Grnt moonlight pepper Ann
***************Grnt nighty night moonlight Kate
Bj is in heat now cross should be done in a week or so
line breeding on a few super crosses will be super staked

B.j. Had 9 pups last night

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favorits ive hunted and or owned
grnt nighty nite moonlight kate rip
grnt moonlight pepper ann
Grnt jackpot Jackie rip
grnt rocky top jet
ntch moonlight katie rip
ntch moonlight madona
ntch beaver creek blaze rip
ntch moonlights dirty danny b.rip (ntch moonlight kink x ntch sawblade reckon)
Current
Grnt moonlight ky Kate (grnt ranger x grnt moonlight Kate
Ntch Pr beaver creeks easy peezy three 1st place wins (jet x moonlight Bree)
Pr beaver creeks moonlight coon buster ( moonlight shock x moonlight Bree)

Posted by rickp on 04-22-2013 03:56 AM:

Outlaw blood keeps going . It's good to see someone
Working to preserve and improve a line of hounds.

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Home of:
GRNITECH GRCH PRUITT'S REBEL RED(GRNITECH GRCH PR KEYS OUTLAW RAZOR RED XGRCH CCH TREE RIZIN SOME KINDA WONDERFUL)
GRNITECH PRUITT'S BUCK (NITE CHAMPION PRUITT'S CHIEF X PRUITT'S MISS MOLLY)
NITE CHAMPION PRUITT'S CHIEF ( GRCH GRNITECH T-TOP DARK TIMBER MOOSE CH SOGGYBOTTOM LOCKET DOWN )
NITECH CH 'PR' TREE RIZIN' RAZOR'S RUSH ( RIP )(GRNITECH GRCH' KEY'S OUTLAW RAZOR RED X GRNITECH GRCH'PR' SOGGY BOTTOM T-TOP SHADOW)
NITECH PRUITT'S MAGGIE MAE (GRNITECH THE RED ROCKER X GRNITECH CH PR GUITAR'S GHOST MISSISSIPPI )
PRUITT'S MISS MOLLY ( CH YELLOW RIVER RED COPPER X FICKEN'S LATE NIGHT STAR )

Posted by oklared on 04-22-2013 12:51 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by TARriver red
Mr.Peel I will sure tell Mr.Dow you sail hello.

Y2KD's MOMMA CAME DIRECTLY FROM DOW HALE, WHAT A LITTLE FEMALE SHE WAS, TELL HIM THANK YOU FOR ME, IS HIS HEALTH HOLDING UP I HOPE.

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NT.Ch. WINNER AT REDBONE SEC. 2008
3RD PL. NT.CH. 2009 BATTLE OF BREEDS AT ADA OKLA.
4TH PLACE R.Q.E 2010
2ND PLACE OVERALL AT ZONE 4 AND DOUBLE CAST WINNER 2010
WENT TO 2010 WORLD HUNT
AMERICAN REDBONE ASSOCIATION HIGH SCOREING REDBONE FEMALE OF THE 2010 WORLD HUNT
OVERALL HI SCOREING DOG AT 2010 BBCHA BLUE TIC SECTIONAL
GR.NT.CH. AT 12 and A HALF
MADE-EM SEE RED

Posted by HERSHSHUNTIN on 04-22-2013 02:25 PM:

mark

mark hope BJ raises them all, I had to go back and count the number of gr nts several times, I get 29 grnts out of 30 dogs in this pedigree, and it may be 30 in time as I know BJ isn't 2 years old yet. hoping one just might find its way to northeast Pa.

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hershtwo@yahoo.com
Life member NRA
Current dogs
GR CH NT CH RED MIGHTY 90-Bo/Sierra
NT.CH.GR CH BEYOND BILLY HTX --Billy the Kid/ Amber
GR CH 1ST & 2ND place wins 90/4 LIFE GUN-HTX==-Willy BOY/Bigtime Britt
Dogs I have owned
Nt ch Gr ch HERSHS HUNTIN RED IKE
NT CH CH HERSHS HUNTIN BUDDY
GR NT CH MILLERS DIRTY RED
NT CH CH LYNN'S CREEK JULIE
GR CH HERSHS HUNTIN RED KATE
CH NITE CH AMBRAW RIVER TIMBER ROCK
NT CH HERSHS HUNTIN RED CLEM
NT CH ROCKY TOP CHERRY

Posted by Hoosier Outlaw on 05-14-2013 08:36 PM:

Hersh,
she had 9 and has raised them all so far.....excellent mother. Only problem is she had 8 males and 1 female...lol. Really wanted the reverse of that....but maybe that means the next litter will be mostly females

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Proud lifetime member of the NRA
Banshee Wildlife Products
Hoosier Outlaw / Moonlight Redbones
1994 American Redbone Coonhound Association Hunter of the Year
My first 3 redbones raised from pup's were:
Dual Gr.Ch. Outlaw Billy the Kid
Dual Gr.Ch.- PKC Ch. Outlaw Timber Girl
Dual Gr.Ch. Outlaw Scarlett Fever
(((( Current Favorites ))))
2013 AKC Ladies World Champion
Gr.Nt.Ch.- PKC Ch- AKC Ladies World Ch Ky Moonlight Breanna
Gr.Nt.Ch. - PKC Ch. Ky Moonlight Woody
Dual Grand Moonlight Deana
Dual Grand Ch.- PKC Ch. Moonlight AfterShock
Dual Grand Nighty Night Amber
Gr.Nt.Ch. Moonlight Big Time Britt
Gr.Nt.Ch Outlaw Billy Jean
Gr.Nt.Ch-PKC Ch.-2015 PKC Red Days Champ Outlaw Cherry Bomb
Gr.Nt.Ch Outlaw Breeze
Gr.Nt.Ch.Gr.Ch. All Grand Outlaw G-Man (over $20.000 won in PKC & CHKC) 2019 Southern Redbone Days Overall Champion
Gr.Nt.Ch. Moonlight Outlaw Mac
Gr.Nt.Ch. Classy Cali (Heavy Outlaw bred)
Gr.Nt.Ch. Moonlight Cat Scratch Fever
Gr.Nt.Ch. Moonlight Addiction
Gr.Nt.Ch. Moonlight Overdose
Gr.Nt.Ch. Moonlight Jinx
Gr.Nt.Ch. Moonlight Banshee
"Always outnumbered...Never outgunned!"
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as Shenandoah Maxey

Posted by Richard Lambert on 07-10-2016 05:46 PM:

A little more history. There is not much going on today so I thought I would go back several years for a little stimulation. It is a shame that someone (Mr Hyde) can't get us an updated list. I think that his original list only went back five year so there will be several dogs that have dropped off of it now.

Posted by Matt Roberts on 07-10-2016 11:10 PM:

Best crosses

I'm not the smartest guy in the world but I've been coon hunting for 30+ years and hunted about every breed there is. Redbones are definitely a breed that are the most enjoyable to hunt. I'm sure I will get some disagreements but just because a dog is titled dont mean it's a (coon dog). It means the dog was better or had a better handler on a few particular nights than the other guys. In my opinion the best cross is a male and and a female that are both accurate, loud, and consistently tree coons that are actually in the tree regardless of hunt, or handler. A good handler will make a mediocre dog look like a million dollars and that's not what a coon dog is. ( again my opinion)

Posted by HERSHSHUNTIN on 07-13-2018 05:58 AM:

I FIND THIS INTERESTING

5 1/2 YEARS AGO--ARE WE MAKING ANY PROGRESS?

Posted by Hoosier Outlaw on 07-13-2018 11:07 PM:

If you go up 3 posts above yours Hersh, I had just made a cross and 9 pups were born 8 males and 1 female.
Since they were born pups from that litter have racked up some impressive results...Including several who have titles and one who has become the highest grossing money winner of all time in the history of the redbone breed with over 21k in winnings. Also since that time we have produced other litters from our breeding program who's pups have won over another 20k in money hunts. I cant speak for everyone else...but when I look at the redbone breed overall, I see some progress being made by several different groups who have been concentrating on producing better redbone competition dogs. When this thread was first made...there had only been one gold champion redbones (Sandy Creek Jake 10k in winnings) since then there have been 3 more that have rose to that level. We also continue to see redbones consistently knocking on the door and making top 20 placings in all of the world hunts. I think we are edging closer. Stay focused and determined folks...our best days as a breed are still ahead of us!

Posted by HERSHSHUNTIN on 07-13-2018 11:59 PM:

I re read most all of the post--9 pages before I bumped it back on the board last night--this post was made before a lot of the dogs of today were titled.
good reading about fastballs too

Posted by Hoosier Outlaw on 01-02-2019 09:41 PM:

Seems like nobody wants to talk much about breeding redbones anymore like they used to....

Posted by Richard Lambert on 01-04-2019 03:40 PM:

If you read this whole thread, it looks like everyone is about talked out. Time to put all of that talk into practice now. Maybe everyone is walking instead of talking.

Posted by Hoosier Outlaw on 01-04-2019 10:53 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lambert
If you read this whole thread, it looks like everyone is about talked out. Time to put all of that talk into practice now. Maybe everyone is walking instead of talking.

Hard to believe all these people had so much to say in the past and now they cant walk and talk at the same time about how they came up with the dogs they are "walking" behind now...if that's the case.
Maybe they dont have much to talk about....
Surely there has been some successes and lessons learned and theories proven or disproven concerning breeding redbones over the past 2 or 3 years since this thread started.....

Posted by Preston Owens on 01-12-2019 06:17 PM:

I've seen some good things

Looks like folks who stepped on over and Bred to Jim seem to be really happy. Says alot when you cant buy one off him. I still see alot of the others for sale! Just 2 cents glad to see the redbone forum is still the same and that the big breeders are still doing the same!

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Posted by Crazy Luke on 01-12-2019 08:04 PM:

Breeding

Only had an accidental litter of 3 here in the past year and the last litter before that was a couple of years ago. I just watch and watch closely. A lot of talk goes on and some like to argue. So I just watch. Can't say I am a breeder because if I said that someone would jump on here and give me the dickens of all that I already know. I haven't produced a litter in prolly three years. So I will just continue watching and hunt what I have here at the house. Truthfully, I hope that all could and would produce quality hounds that could someday win the World hunt. It has been a lot of years since Timber Chopper walked the face of this earth. Would be great to see one that everyone would breed to like he was back then. He seems to be in every dogs pedigree if you go back far enough unless it's a crossbred. Don't know if a Timber Chopper will ever happen again. Oh well, I will enjoy the ride and maybe, Lord willing, I might get some females bred and produce a litter. Good luck. Lucas

Posted by Preston Owens on 01-13-2019 01:20 AM:

Lucas

Wise words. As you know I havent raised a pup in a long time either. It's time to raise a few again. But I dont wanna be classified as a "big breeder" I breed for what I like. And it's worked out good for me. And I'll add for the majority of the folks who got a pup.

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Posted by Larry D Walker on 01-13-2019 02:50 AM:

Re: I've seen some good things

quote:
Originally posted by Preston Owens
Looks like folks who stepped on over and Bred to Jim seem to be really happy. Says alot when you cant buy one off him. I still see alot of the others for sale! Just 2 cents glad to see the redbone forum is still the same and that the big breeders are still doing the same!

I know where there are 2 off jim that can be bought right here near my house..2 females..

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Indiana

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Posted by Preston Owens on 01-13-2019 03:38 AM:

Off Freak?

What's the breeding on the other side?

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Posted by Larry D Walker on 01-13-2019 10:37 AM:

Not freak...freak was never bred to jim

Pretty sure bottom side is Deep Woods Rocky..i could find out if someone is interested

Freaks been bred 3 times..once to B3...Once to her son Redbull..and recently to Turbo..

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Posted by Hoosier Outlaw on 01-13-2019 02:10 PM:

Re: mark

quote:
Originally posted by HERSHSHUNTIN
mark hope BJ raises them all, I had to go back and count the number of gr nts several times, I get 29 grnts out of 30 dogs in this pedigree, and it may be 30 in time as I know BJ isn't 2 years old yet. hoping one just might find its way to northeast Pa.

It's like you had a crystal ball or something Hersh...
B.J. did finish out to Grand Nite Champion shortly after you posted this and fast forward a few more years and looking back at pups from this cross ...I think 5 are still living including two that became Dual Grand Champions ...who won more money in PKC and CHKC than any redbone in history! Those pups now have pedigrees of 30 straight Grand Nite Champions and are the first and only offspring to have a 4 generation all Grand Pedigree. Of coarse, papers dont mean much until the dog with those papers is validated by proving it can win in competition....which these now have. It's good to go back and look at these old threads and see what was being said and expected at the time from crosses that were just being made. Some of the most highly anticipated and talked about crosses didnt work and some exceeded the expectations of most at the time. But every cross that did work...regardless of the line helped to move the breed a little further ahead.
I will say this right now, but really I already said it a few years back....Dual Grand Champion Moonlight Aftershock is one of the most overlooked stud dogs in the redbone breed right now. The dog was a powerhouse competition winner during his hunting career and is now showing that he is a high percentage reproducer of the same. He is crossing well with both linebred crosses and outcrosses which is rare in this breed so he is one to watch.

Posted by cooter_hunter on 01-17-2019 01:52 PM:

In all fairness I�ve been hunting with Richard and he�s better off not trying to walk and talk at the same time and when he�s hunting with me there�s always plenty of tile to stand around lmao

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Posted by Richard Lambert on 01-17-2019 02:05 PM:

Slick, when I hunt with you, I don't get a chance to do any talking. I am too busy listening.

Posted by Richard Lambert on 08-31-2019 07:11 PM:

Re: Re: King

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Kelly, that was a long time ago.
Buck took an exceptional female from a very good litter and outcrossed her to a linebred male that was very near the top of your list. A very good female from this out cross was then bred back to her very nice Gr Nt half brother (who is also on the list) to intensify this line bred cross. Now I bred a very nice pup from this cross back to her outcrossed uncle to further intensify this linebreeding. If you look at the back of this pedigree, all you will see is: Rat X Raven, Bomber X Bell and Lil Zack X Sweetie. The pups that I get should be "prepotent" (I learned that word from mrg) and be able to be outcrossed to any line and reproduce their likeness. The pedigree will look like this:
............................Rat
...................Rabble
.......................................Bomber
.............................Raven
........................................Bell
........Moose
..............................Lil Zack
...................Sally
..............................Sweetie
Pups
............................................Rat
..............................Rabble
.............................................Raven
....................Haze
............................................Bomber
..............................Bombers Red Wire
.............................................Bell
........Wendy
.............................................Rat
..............................Rabble
..............................................Raven
....................Willow
.............................................Lil Zack
..............................Sally
.............................................Sweetie

Sitting here bored, waiting on deadline and I found this. Gr Nt Wilma was one of the pups from this litter and I outcrossed her to Gr Nt Pigeon River Jim to get L's Bella.

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