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Posted by Allen / UKC on 11-10-2016 07:20 PM:

UKC Introduces Cur & Feist Programs Advocates Joe Newlin and Allen Rosenbarger

http://www.ukcdogs.com/Web.nsf/News...1102016020902PM

Posted by travis gideon on 11-10-2016 08:49 PM:

Congrats guys!!!

I've personally known and have hunted with Joe several times, with hounds and curs. He knows the in's and out's of tree dog's and competition hunting. Joe is a "hunter" and a "thinker", this combination has made him successful in competition hunting and as a breeder! I'm sure this will be a success, Joe doesn't settle for subpar in anything he's involved with!!!

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Posted by Oak Ridge on 11-11-2016 01:10 PM:

Folks I would like to express my gratitude to UKC for this opportunity, and my excitement at the possibility of helping UKC build this program.

From my seat here, there is a lot of low hanging fruit that can be harvested quickly, then we will work on the stuff up higher in the tree..... But without the help of everyone, we won't get much picked at all!

So, to kick start this conversation, I would like to hear from anyone, and everyone that has an interest in this program. My goal is to be as available as I can possibly be to cur owners to understand your thoughts on how we, and I do mean we, can grow the Cur and Fiest Program.

Let's come together and get this thing done!

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UKC Cur Advocate
Home of Oak Ridge Kennels

Posted by hmartin on 11-12-2016 02:02 AM:

Cur/Feist

From what I see right now, it is the feist hunters that are participating in UKC. My club just started having UKC cur/feist hunts, we have only brought in a total of 2 curs in both of those hunts.

Posted by Oak Ridge on 11-12-2016 07:12 PM:

Re: Cur/Feist

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Originally posted by hmartin
From what I see right now, it is the feist hunters that are participating in UKC. My club just started having UKC cur/feist hunts, we have only brought in a total of 2 curs in both of those hunts.

We are going to see what we can do about that! I'm very aware that the squirrel program is suffering a little.... let's inject a little life into it!

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UKC Cur Advocate
Home of Oak Ridge Kennels

Posted by hmartin on 11-12-2016 07:32 PM:

Cur/Feist

Let me know if there is anything I can help you with, I hunt feist but I still want to see more cur guys getting involved.

Posted by Oak Ridge on 11-14-2016 01:27 PM:

Growth is king!

I just did a quick check, and there were a grand total of 2 club hunts scheduled for the month of November in the whole country!

There are four in December and ONE in January.....

Step #1 is to grow the program, so we are going to need some suggestions on how we can get more clubs to hold hunts, and to build the attendance at the hunts that are scheduled...!!!!!

Along those lines, lets start a conversation about how a club can be successful at holding cur and feist hunts!

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UKC Cur Advocate
Home of Oak Ridge Kennels

Posted by M Taylor 56 on 11-17-2016 11:50 PM:

Joe you had a majority of folks on FaceBook give you suggestions that were pretty much in agreement with the same thing yet you didn't seem to think there was much chance of that going over.

With two "new" registries having as much participation as they do wouldn't you think that if a registry was looking for things that would increase participation they would at least listen to folks that were suggesting ideas that were being implemented in these registries that were drawing the larger numbers?

Posted by Oak Ridge on 11-18-2016 09:44 AM:

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Originally posted by M Taylor 56
Joe you had a majority of folks on FaceBook give you suggestions that were pretty much in agreement with the same thing yet you didn't seem to think there was much chance of that going over.

With two "new" registries having as much participation as they do wouldn't you think that if a registry was looking for things that would increase participation they would at least listen to folks that were suggesting ideas that were being implemented in these registries that were drawing the larger numbers?

Quite simply put, if you look at the "mission" of each of those organizations, and overlay it over the UKC, they just simply are not the same.

UKC has one of the longest standing coon hound world hunts, that is one of, if not THE largest, when you factor in all of the qualifying events. There are no less than two other "newer" organizations that also have a good following in PKC and CHKC. Both of those organizations allow dogs to advance on circle points, while UKC does not. Having game in the tree has worked for UKC for a lot of years, and while I promised to advocate for the hunter, which is what I will do....I can't promise that UKC will change years of successful experience because a few (and in reality it is a very few) folks would like to see it changed.

Here is the other factor that nobody has taken into consideration. Most of the folks that are vocal about advancing on circle points, and allowing hounds to compete in cur/fiest events have not attended a UKC event in years, and if they have attended it has only been that one hunt per year, the World Hunt. There is much more to the program than just one hunt a year....the goal here is to shore up, and eventually rebuild the clubs, and the local club hunts, to build a state/regional championship structure....you know, to build a program. Unlike the other "new" organizations, they hunt for cash prizes, UKC is an organization that is structured around titles.

If you allow dogs to "win" on circle points, then how do you hold the value in the titles? I have to think beyond the world hunt....to the local level.

I'm still working on the presentation to UKC to differentiate between "full elimination" vs. "title" hunts. What I do know is that rule changes in UKC can and have changed the way that dogs are bred, and can and have changed the type of dogs that win...... I think we need to be careful with what we wish for..... If you really want circle tree dogs to advance, what happens when you get to the finals and it's simply "he who makes the most trees wins".....???

Look, I've been at this for about a week or so, Rome was not built in a day...and while I want to be an agent for change, and for growth....appealing to the loudest voices in the room is not always the best choice. Sure, I posted a question on facebook, and had a few people who loudly voiced their opinion.....but I had several people approach me personally that voiced opposing positions.....so there are some difficult decisions that need to be made, some compromises, and some "line in the sand" type decisions.

Abe Lincoln said it best, "You can please some of the people some of the time"....

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UKC Cur Advocate
Home of Oak Ridge Kennels

Posted by M Taylor 56 on 11-19-2016 12:37 AM:

UKC does have a longstanding hound program and bringing that up has been a tradition of the cur and feist representatives over the years. It has really not done much but drive more of a wedge between the UKC and the cur and feist people. And the appearance of farther isolating the curs more by separating them and the feist isn't helping any. There already is a whole generation of guys that aren't high on the UKC to start with because of past issues on the UKCs views of curs and it really doesn't seem that they have changed all that much.

As for the guys that hasn't hunted many UKC hunts in the past except the World Hunt the consensus there is they would hunt more if the hunts were elimination type hunts. Most aren't wanting to drive 4-5 or 8 hours for a one and done hunt. They prefer the full elimination hunts but many will still hunt the semi-elimination hunts.

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