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Leopard/Cross for Coyotes

Hey guys I was wondering if there was anyone out there that has leopards that they run coyotes with? Or a leopard cross that they run coyote with. I have been thinking about cross breeding some of my leopards with my Running walker/Julys. And was wondering if anyone has tried it and how it worked out? I love my leopards I hunt coon with. So was wondering if someone all ready has a bloodline of leopards that's working for them or if anyone has cross bred and had good success? Thanks

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"Ask the animals, and they will teach you."

Ran a lot of coyotes and fox with leopards, if you have a pup gamy enough to run a deer, chances are they won't mind pushing a coyote. Best way to get them started is to let them loose in a small coyote pen, 80 acres or smaller.

Rex Bowers had some coyote running Leopards. His Dutchman Creek line tends to be pretty gamey and will run whatever they are put on. I had a friend who was crossing Leopards with July hounds and said they were doing really well on coyote.

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Sounds like I need to talk to Rex Bowers there has been several people in the leopard world that says he has bred and messed with the leopards on coyotes and fox with good success. I think making a outcross with some good July or running walker blood would be worth trying. Only thing is they wouldn't be able to be registered.

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Alex...

I'll give you a call later this week. You can register them as cross breeds...

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Mine are coondogs because I hunt them with coondogs and I do not allow any trash runners to hunt with my young dogs. I never y had to break one so I cannot claim they are broke. My best guesss is you take a well bred leopard pup and sic him/her on a coyote and get a coyote chaser.

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Can't go wrong talking with Mr. Bowers, he is probably the most knowledgeable Leopard man around.

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Originally posted by Ranger28117
Can't go wrong talking with Mr. Bowers, he is probably the most knowledgeable Leopard man around.

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Originally posted by Ranger28117
Rex Bowers had some coyote running Leopards. His Dutchman Creek line tends to be pretty gamey and will run whatever they are put on. I had a friend who was crossing Leopards with July hounds and said they were doing really well on coyote.

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His dogs are not trashy they simply run whatever you chose to start them on. That cross is being made with good success in WVA I can assure you it is no "hallucination"." Just because you made a cross that turned out sorry does not mean other breeders cannot make quality crosses. As far as speaking to Mr. Bowers, I speak with him regularly he is a life long friend of mine and grew up hunting with my Grandfather. I am in no way "toting a flag" I am stating the fact that he has done far more research on the breed and contributed more to the breed than any man living. I will pass on the jumping on board because you sir, are an ass and clearly fairly ignorant.

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Originally posted by cowboy.2010
Sounds like I need to talk to Rex Bowers there has been several people in the leopard world that says he has bred and messed with the leopards on coyotes and fox with good success. I think making a outcross with some good July or running walker blood would be worth trying. Only thing is they wouldn't be able to be registered.

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Originally posted by l.lyle
Sounds to me that you just might be suggesting that a line of Leopards just might tend to be a little trashy but need some help from a cross that you imagine would"
help them out" LOL I bred a walker on a leopard to "help the out the Walker side ": back in the early 2000 and it did Not pay off . All respects to Mr Bowers but did you contact him before you started hallucinateing and dreaming about a good cross on his dogs?

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I have never attempted to "help him out" if you look back at his contributions to the leopard world and the success he has had, he does not need my help. All I have stated is 1 - He is probably the most knowledgeable Leopard man around. 2 - He used Leopards on fox/ coyote with success. 3 - A friend in WVA has also used Dutchman Creek Leopards and on coyote and it has worked well. When I asked my friend about it he said "Ask Rex he used his on Coyotes." So where you come up with the idea that I am trying to help out his line is beyond me. As a matter of fact I have spoken with Rex, just this past weekend. Leopards have been crossed with fox dogs(and Plotts) in the past so this is not a new notion. So I am not on here "fanaticizing" I am stating fact. You may very well doubt that I spoke with him but you would be wrong about that as well. To be frank I could not possibly care less about your baseless opinions. All I did was pass along some solid information to a guy looking for advice. You have been rude and ignorant and I sincerely hope I never have the displeasure of encountering you.

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Thanks for all the info that has been posted. Hopefully more people will chime in also. Dident mean to start an argument lol I have to agree with both of you guys tho. I do believe breeding running walker or July could cause the cross to be a lil more trashy if you want to call it that far as the coon hunting goes it might take a lil tree out of them. As for what I'm wanting tho wouldent be no big deal. But iv also seen alot of running hounds make good tree dogs. But alot of it has to do with the trainer. The only reason I think the leopards may need some crossing is to help with speed and stanima. I have never tried any of Rex's blood line but I'm sure he has done his home work and lots of effort to make the blood line he has now which from the way it sounds is working well on coyote/fox and coon for that matter. I believe there is good and bad in every breed and blood line. But you just have to find the right cross to get what your looking for. I realize it doesent happen over night it will be a life long experiment to get what I'm after. I am new to the leopards compared to alot of guys that have them. But I am a die hard leopard guy so that's why I want to use leopards on coyote to see if I can Benifit from it in anyway. Like I said I just wanted to see if anyone has tried the leopards on coyote or leopard cross to see how it worked and what was the pros and cons on what bloodlines and crosses they have tried. So maybe it would give me a better starting point to get what I'm after. Thanks again for all the replys keep them coming God Bless

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Idk if my thoughts will be of any help to you but I have leopards for coon and running walkers for coyotes. I've never tried my leopards on coyotes but idt they would have nearly as much endurance as my running dogs. Don't get me wrong I can coonhunt my leopards as hard as I want and they do a great job and I also think that they can drive a track exceptionally well but running a coyote for several hours is a different ball game. I know I've seen some guys use walker coonhounds and they don't have the stamina that a running walker does. But a big problem I've seen with a lot of running dogs is they are lacking in the brains department which is a pretty big deal to me. One of the best crosses that I've seen for coyotes is actually a beagle x walker. These little dogs have a whole lotta drive and tracking ability and its surprising how fast and tough they are but out in the open fields the longer legged dogs have more plain and simple speed. Right now I'm running a line of running walkers that have a super great handle on them and have a pretty good dose of brains do I'm not really looking to cross anything into them right now. But I think the right leopard running dog cross could work pretty great if you know what your doing. Btw the leopards endurance is just my oppinion and could very well be wrong. I imagine somebody that has run their leopards on big game would know quite a bit more than me . Hope all that made sense lol.

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About any hound or cross will run yotes, but if you get serious about the sport you will come to realize that coonhound breeds just dont have what it takes in the endurance department. our runnin walkers will push yotes 20 miles in a day in a foot of snow and be ready to go again the next morning. Smart they aint but theyre tough as nails.

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In my neck of the woods we can't afford to keep a pack of dogs for every type of critter we hunt. I run my leps on coon, bear, coyote, fox and bobcat. Oddly enough when I coon hunt usually there is a coon at the end of the race, on occasion they take a bear. Everything else, I have to just place them on a track, as long as they are chasing something I am happy, very seldom do they jump tracks. These leps that I have can run all day, they seem to pace themselves more than other breeds, they don't burn out after the first mile. Find a line that drifts track and they won't have to run real hard anyhow. When I catch the dogs coming to a road on a hot track sometimes they'll be forty or fifty feet downwind of the track. The big game lines shouldn't have to be crossed up with anything, in my opinion a runner yearling bear race will test a dog better than any coyote race. When you get some snow on the ground a fast Lep should catch a coyote without any problems, I have seen it very regular. There is my two cents on this.

"Smart they aint but theyre tough as nails."
That is a perfect description of a hound. I had a Redbone almost to dumb to breathe but that was a tough rascal. a Farrier I work with and do Muay Thai with said his dad always told him "Son, if you're gonna be stupid you had better be tough!"

Just out of curiosity I called Mr. Bowers and he said he did in fact make several July/Leopard crosses that were used largely on bobcat and he heard very positive reports back from those who purchased those pups.

He also said there were several different lines of July hounds, each having its own strengths and weakness. So might what to investigate the particular line of July hound you are intending to cross. His came from Georgia(from Mr. Haraway) and were merle spotted and looked much like a old style Leopard to the casual eye.

He told me two books to look into that would really help to explain about the Leopard/July connection and the inspiration behind the cross. "Never Out Foxed" by Ben Haradaway III and "30 Years With Hounds" by George Garrett. These men were pioneers in the July world(especially Mr. Garrett) and have much to teach about breeding.

Hope that helps. I apologize for causing a fuss on your thread. Good luck on your cross, let us know how it turns out!