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Trash Running Question

I have to admit for the last 40 years I have been blessed. I have had several dogs that never ran any trash, and the most of the others were fairly easy to break. My last two, a mother and daughter, were broke on level 3 and 4 on my Garmin respectively.

I find my self in new territory. My current female will cold trail deer a long ways before jumping it. I don't have a problem knowing it is trash after it is jumped. I had a buddy asked me why don't I check the speed she is running on the Garmin. I said I rarely use the Garmin for anything other than tracking. I'm not a gadget guy. According to my sons, it is because I'm old.

Anyway, I don't have a clue as to what speed would indicate a potential trash issue. Does anyone have any experience with typical track speeds? I did check out her track speed in the middle of a track last night, and it was 11-12 mph. Isn't track speed on a Garmin an average?

Yes, while it is still the rut, my whole focus is switching to trash breaking. I'm not so sure the way I have done it in the past is going to work as well this time. I'm open to all suggestions. I do have an extensive library of training books and I will be revisiting them.

If coon dogs were boring, I probably wouldn't still be hunting them.lol

Thanks for any info.

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Larry Atherton

Aim small miss small

My opinion

Mr. Atherton,
Sounds like you have had pretty good luck like myself. I will say this, and it is my opinion, but no way I would correct a dog basing it off of their track speed. Too many times I have heard people accusing their or my dogs of running trash and actually come to find out they were running desired game.
I have corrected a dog before based off of speed, distance, or sound when I was actually the one that needed correcting.
I ONLY correct a dog if I have visually verified that they are in fact running off game.
How old is the female you are training now?

Has anyone broken a dog from running deer by shocking them just once? Do you think that you can break a dog from running coon by shocking them just once or twice by mistake?
If you zoom in and watch your Garmin closely, you should be able to tell the difference between trailing and running. Old timers used to be able to tell by their hounds bark/mouth if they were trailing a coon or running a deer. Youngsters today use their Garmin. You can also use map quest. Coons travel in timber. Deer run tree lines, fields and trails/roads.

It's crazy to think someone would check the speed to decide weather to correct a dog or not. It certainly isn't something I would recommend.

Track speed ......I use it all the time ...yes it is an average ......also use track time ....
Dog(s) that are consistent with both ,having a coon treed, (and not just getting treed) are most enjoyable to hunt .....these hour hunts are tailored for such dog(s)
8 to 11 mph w/ a treed coon in 8 min. or less , that's been my experience on average.
Anything longer is suspect for me and what I hunt.
Mind u if coons ain't moving ur average will be longer for that hunt (night), each night brings its own differences, u have to recognize those difference and adjust accordingly.
What I look for in track speed & track time is consistency, u can really get to know your dog(s) M.O.

A good check dog is the best way to know, if you can find a dog that will run with another dog.

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Donald Bergeron

Thanks guys for the answers. My problem is she is cold trailing the deer track. I can absolutely tell she is running a deer after she jumps it. I was just curious about what my buddy said about checking the track speed on the Garmin.

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Larry Atherton

Aim small miss small

Cold trailing deer is a new one but maybe you can modify a method I use for hot jumped deer. If you hunt enough you tend to notice when and where deer tend to hang out. This summer I got ticked at my dog for running deer so I drove to where I knew I would see a deer standing in front of a woods. I used the thermal and watched the deer as I made some noise to get the deer to move off into the woods. I waited just a bit and then cut the dog in the direction that the deer was standing when I pulled up. I watched the dog on the thermal once he opened and shot across the field in the same tracks the deer took for a good 50 to 100 yrds I corrected him. I caught him up then took him to a spot where I knew he could tree an easy coon fast. I loved him up showed him that's what I want. Then set him up on a deer again same way as the 1st time. Then back to an easy coon. Come the third deer set up he turned ran away from the deer into the woods and found a coon. You could try this, maybe set longer after the deer walks off and let the sent die down before you cut across the track. I normally don't like setting a dog up for failure but the deer running was turning into a big issue. I don't like to correct a dog unless I can see for certain what there are doing. Good Luck

Cold trailing deer in "Michigan"....🤔 hmmmmmmm .

Speed

Not a lot of trees around me. Dog struck, went 500 yards into a sunflower field, circled back out to the road, thru a culvert .
Burned that track up.8 miles across a short grass cow pasture like a deer chase and trees that running coon in a small stand of saplings.
Similar tracks have shown me, do not push that button !

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Originally posted by TN Quick Check
Cold trailing deer is a new one but maybe you can modify a method I use for hot jumped deer. If you hunt enough you tend to notice when and where deer tend to hang out. This summer I got ticked at my dog for running deer so I drove to where I knew I would see a deer standing in front of a woods. I used the thermal and watched the deer as I made some noise to get the deer to move off into the woods. I waited just a bit and then cut the dog in the direction that the deer was standing when I pulled up. I watched the dog on the thermal once he opened and shot across the field in the same tracks the deer took for a good 50 to 100 yrds I corrected him. I caught him up then took him to a spot where I knew he could tree an easy coon fast. I loved him up showed him that's what I want. Then set him up on a deer again same way as the 1st time. Then back to an easy coon. Come the third deer set up he turned ran away from the deer into the woods and found a coon. You could try this, maybe set longer after the deer walks off and let the sent die down before you cut across the track. I normally don't like setting a dog up for failure but the deer running was turning into a big issue. I don't like to correct a dog unless I can see for certain what there are doing. Good Luck

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