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Off The Chain Or In The Woods ?

why do people selling hounds add this dumb ass saying ? i see this all the time and i really bothers me. if you have a hound for sale and it is what you say it is, you should have no problem showing him in the woods, unless you`re affraid to. there`s a post in the classifieds now that`s states this quote (SELL OFF THE CHAIN $1800 OR $2500 IN THE WOODS). does it really take $700 in gas or time to show a hound, maybe if your driving from maine to utah. if anyone plans on buying a hound, you should be sure to see it hunts 1st, if not your probably going to end up getting hound that is not what the person selling it says it is. would you bay a truck from someone without driving it 1st ?

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You have a great point. In my experience great dogs don't come along often and i always thought unless someone was selling out why would you sell a great dog unless something was wrong with it. Thats what always has scared me about buying a dog and like you said why would anyone ever pay that kind of money for a dog you haven't tried first.

I think that alot of people believe they're getting a good deal. when 1800 off the chain or 2500 in the woods. But in return I believe if they have two prices the dog probably ain't worth nothing. Just a way to make a quick sell . Man I can get that dog for 700 dollars less, I better buy it . But chances are you just bought a piece of crap. Plus most dogs advertised like that hasn't got no trial period ,so me I stay away from deals like that .

Yeah the bottom line is if youre an honest person the price is the same no matter what. And all dogs if they are advertised as a rig or start dog they should have a trial.

matt, im guessing because there are people dumb enough to buy "off the chain".

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Crazy stuff going on out there now a days, an 1800 dog better do it all the time and to show it for an extra 700 is mad!

Nothing wrong with showing a hound in the field before a sale but the person looking to buy should pay for the trip!

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Why should the person looking to buy the dog pay to see it. A good dog will run no matter what and proving it should not be that hard or cost extra money...

I personally think everyone should do a week or so trial on any dog they're buy'n.Give'n him/her a chance to settle into strange dogs and new handler....One mans junk,is another mans treasure....With money in hand of course!

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Originally posted by hollaback maine
I personally think everyone should do a week or so trial on any dog they're buy'n.Give'n him/her a chance to settle into strange dogs and new handler....One mans junk,is another mans treasure....With money in hand of course!

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Originally posted by RunninBear(Ike)
Nothing wrong with showing a hound in the field before a sale but the person looking to buy should pay for the trip!

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there we go

I had a guy last year from here in NE WI offering a dog for sale off the chain for $500. When asked if I could hunt with him and the dog for a night to see it in action, he agreed but said it would cost me an extra grand? WTF? A thousand bucks extra when I would be driving 50 miles and he would only need to drive 5 to the woods? Grand extra for him to show me, on his turf, what the dog for sale can do? Needless to say that was the end of our conversation.

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its like having to pay to test drive a vehicle they are the ones doing the selling wouldnt there pitch be to show it in the woods

If I had so many top dogs that I wanted to sell one I wouldn't give a trial. I would however give all the trial they wanted with me. There are some real losers trying to buy dogs also.

Hypothetical situation;
How would you feel if you were selling a nice hound and after the one week trial the person called and said that the dog that has never been in a tree fight in its life fought at the tree with their other dog so now they want to bring it back all chewed up missing part of its ear and cuts all over its face?

As a seller do you really feel obligated to send a dog out to someone you don't know and potentially get it back devalued? If someone says I can have all the trial I want I am suspicious. Why are they not more concerned about this dog if it is so good?

Most dogs that are for sale are not as good as they are being represented. When you come across one that actually is the seller isn't usually anxious to send it out with a complete stranger to mess it up. The credibility of the seller must be established as well as the dogs. That is not easy but there will be subtle hints in your conversation. If it sounds to good to be true then it is.
Kyle

All it is a marketing thing guys. Someone sees a lower price tag and pulls the trigger.

All dogs sales should be done in the woods. If you can't come to hunt with it and see it, well then it's your call if you want to buy it. When it leaves my driveway and the new owner has it my obligation is done. If that doesn't work, then go find another dog. This really doesn't apply to me because I sell a dog about once every 5 years that just isn't fitting in with my program. And I probably buy an older dog even less often than that.

In any dog deal, buyer/seller beware. Lots of shady characters out there peddling/buying dogs.

I sold an ok start dog about 6 years ago to a guy looking for a dog to start tracks that his other dogs couldn't get going. He showed up with a box full of brindle and I should have just kept the dog. Well he took it for the 3 week trial and said it got tracks going but it wouldn't stay at a tree with his dogs. I thought that was pretty strange since he was a good tree dog when I had him and treed fine with other dogs. Right away I knew the deal, he was getting his butt kicked at the tree. So I took him back and fired him in on the first bear race I had, he did fine and made it to the tree but wasn't cranking them out like he usually did. I got in there and saw that he was hesitant to approach the tree with the other dogs. I coaxed him in there and he went right back to where he was. Never had a problem after that and I ended up just keeping the dog.

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Originally posted by Hollister
Why should the person looking to buy the dog pay to see it. A good dog will run no matter what and proving it should not be that hard or cost extra money...

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What ever price the person selling the dog is asking should be the price no matter what. I don't think it cost that much to show a dog in the woods much less 700 dollars. If you have to charge someone to show a dog there must be something wrong with it.

Like I said, I have never put a dog up for sale but have had people call and bother me for one until I caved in and sold them one. And $700 dollars wouldn't touch a good dog. And if a guy isn't willing to pay his way I'm not interesting in talking to him..................

A buddy of mine had one of the local dog jockeys call him wanting to sell him a finished, sure enough bear dog. This dog would rig and catch its own bear, trash free and the young man only wanted $4000 bucks for it. My buddy has plenty of money, and he told the kid to bring that dog by and he'd try it out, and if it would do what he said he'd write him a check.

My buddy takes the dog hunting, and puts him out in front of the truck striking. He sees elk cross the road in front of the dog, and you guessed it, when that dog hits the fresh elk tracks it opens and leaves. My buddy called that kid in the coming days and told him to come after his dog..............

It has always been buyer be ware cause there are plenty of people out to make money off a cull hound. Personally I've never bought anything but a tit weened pup, raised and bred nearly everything that I've ever fed...........

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The guy wasn't asking 700 for the dog he wanted 700 more than what he was asking for the dog just to show it in the woods

IC, well a guide day usually goes fro around $500 bucks.......so he isn't too far off ha! And I wouldn't take some of the people on these boards for any price!

I did take one person on this board bear hunting to show my dogs, and he hadn't ask to see them hunt nor was he looking to buy. He only wanted to met me and my dogs. But since he'd came all the way out West on vacation, I told him a buddy and I were hunting and he was welcome to meet use and jump in. He did, and was just as nice a guy in person as he is on this board. We caught a bear and he enjoyed himself I believe, but I wasn't out to sell him or anybody else a **** thing. Likewise, I'm sure there are people on these boards that are just as mean in person as they seem to be on these boards, and as you probably guessed they wouldn't get the same invitation he did...................

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Well he is selling a dog not a guide service. If anyone would pay anything more than there gas to see the dog they are gettin screwed

I had a young man want to buy a veteran red dog I had and I'd watch him jockey dogs since he was old enough to drive a truck. I had nine dogs in my back yard and would have given that dog to him if he'd kept and hunted that dog the rest of his days. However, I knew he'd just peddle it for pocket change ASAP. The dog I'm referring to was six years old, would run and catch his own lion and rig one from the dog box..........

I only laughed to myself when that young man ask to buy that dog, and that was the end of that.........

A few months later I had a hunting guide down south call me several times begging me for a dog that would take his dogs to the tree. He claimed they were not finishing tracks that he knew they should, and that he'd lost his best dog to a mean lion. I had no reason to sell that dog other than the snow was deep, I hadn't booked any lion hunters that year and nine dogs seemed like a lot to feed.

So I finally told him I had a dog for him and drove that dog down to his house over two hours away. The guy went to lengths to tell about abouk getting screwed two or three times by big name guides and breeders, and that he'd bought two dogs and ended up shooting both of them. I reminded him that he had called me, and it was him looking to buy. I told him my little red dog would dog everything I claimed it would and if he wasn't happy with him call and I'd come after him..........

A couple weeks later he telephoned and told me the story or of his first hunter, and how that little red dog had rigged him a killing tom lion from the box on semi-open ground. I asked if he was happy with my little Sam dog and he laughed and knew he'd gotten a real deal for **** near nothing. The only reason I sold him that dog (cheap) was I knew he would appreciate and hunt that little dog as long as he could go.......

A couple years later this guide and I spoke on the phone again, and he had bred my little Sam dog to a red female he had from California. He offered me a pup, and that told me without many words how he appreciated and what he thought of that dog............

There are people I'd give a good dog to and others don't have enough money.........

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buying a dog off the chain is usually a pig and a poke kind of deal.you get the dog and the poke with a smile