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Posted by wienglishhunter on 04-25-2014 01:32 AM:

light foot english

does anyone own any light foot English

Posted by Riverbottom Ron on 04-25-2014 02:23 AM:

LIGHTFOOT ENGLISH

RANDY GIBSON ON HERE CAN TELL YOU ALOT ABOUT THEM ,HES ON HERE ALOT ,,HOPE THIS HELPS ,,HAVE A BLESSED ONE ,,,RON

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Posted by red hot sassy on 04-25-2014 07:42 AM:

I have one that's swampcat on top and light foot on bottom cd track dog and tree she has dog drive and pretty fast on puttingthe meat up she shoot over 40 coon with her at 6 monthsold by herself

Posted by tom edwards on 04-25-2014 06:00 PM:

LIGHTFOOT

TWO here ,one placed forth in the world 2013 other one won open Thursday night at English days two years ago. Hunted with them several years now. TOM

Posted by ill. lightfoot on 04-11-2017 06:22 PM:

LOOKING FOR SOME LIGHT FOOT BLOOD NEAR ME, PREFER LINE BRED

Posted by Toad Hill on 04-17-2017 10:28 PM:

Ive always heard about this blood having superior noses, track drivers ,very accurate and alot of Heart . Always liked what I read about them and was very intrigued but never been around any lightfoot blood or hunted with any ( that I knew of ) . In what little research I done and talked to a few people asking questions I had one guy tell me that a little dab will do ya!! referring to having a quarter of this blood is Great ! Can some of you that are familiar with blood expound on this comment a little ??
Thanks Alot !

Posted by Doug Robinson on 04-18-2017 02:52 AM:

Lightfoot History

Toad Hill this was sent to me years ago by a man that interviewed Bill Clark. I had a chance to talk to Bill's grandson just before Bill died to confirm some of the info included in this write up. I had been in touch with Dustin Meyer and Brian Chorney for several years trying to purchase some of their Lightfoot stock, especially the Black Jack bloodline, but there was a very high demand and those boys culled hard and were very selective what they bred to so it was very hard to get a pup from their linebred stock. I did locate a nice local GRNITECH that carried this blood on top through Terry Goforth' Rocky Run Blue Terry dog and bred to my favorite female and just had a litter 4 weeks ago so now keeping a blue male in my kennel from that cross. History is very interesting but you always wonder if some of the stories get changed over time. Take it for what it is.

The name Light Foot was first given to this family of hounds in the 1950’s by Bill Clark of Evansville, Indiana. This family of hounds first came to America in the early 1800’s. Their point of origin, Scotland. The hunters who brought these hounds to America were Dr. Henry along with his hunting partner, Colonel Birdsong.
These men were among the more educated and wealthy men of their time. Money, time, effort or understanding was not going to be a stumbling block. Birdsong and Henry had a clear vision of the hound they intended to breed. Every mating was carefully considered and planned. Future breeding's were planned as much as three and four generation's in advance.
This list of qualities demanded by Birdsong and Henry could have been written by any serious Big Game hunter of today.
Nose, Speed, Grit and Toughness. This goal was accomplished through the dedication and discipline of two hunters. Hunters who spent the time, effort, and yes the money needed to live up to their original commitment.

This process was not easy or quick in coming. Birdsong/Henry line bred and inbred their bloodline of hounds for over twenty generations. Roughly fifty years it took this pair to achieve their goal. There were many hounds culled from the program. The bloodline became more than just hounds to Birdsong/Henry it became a life long obsession. Unfortunately life long commitments only last a life time. The blood lines created by Birdsong/Henry out lived Birdsong/Henry themselves.
_Small pockets of Birdsong/Henry hounds lived on for a number of years. Mostly adopted by the fox hunters of west Tennessee and Kentucky, the hounds became fox hounds. The nose, speed and endurance demanded by Birdsong/Henry were put to good use by the hunters of the Red Fox. Red fox were trapped and brought into Tennessee and Kentucky just for the love of the chase. The fox hunters of the day had no interest in killing a Red Fox and no interest in the hound that would catch and kill one.
This is where one of the problems with the Birdsong/Henry hounds often showed itself. The Birdsong/Henry hounds often developed into what the fox hunters called a "Cutter". A cutter is a hound that not only uses his nose to trail game, but also uses its brain to catch game.
_The term cutter is descriptive; it means that the hound cuts across country to catch the game it is running. Often in today's verbiage we call it drifting a track. Even this is often misunderstood. If a hound is following a trail whether right on the track or off to either side, the dog is running a track.
_Cutting or Drifting is when the dog leaves the scent trail and runs to where he thinks the game are going to be. Effectually, cutting across country to catch the game. _A good example of this would be if your hound were trailing and comes to an open field, Most hounds will trail the track all the way across the field making every step that the game made. A cutter will hit the field, look across and realize that the game is not in the field. He will then run across the field at full speed. When reaching the timberline on the other side of this field, the hound will again use its nose to trail the track. This hound has "Cut" across country and cut down the amount of distance/time .

Million Dollar Mac

The foundation sire of the Light Foot bloodline
_
Old Mac was part mystery and part legend. Mac was owned by an old time hunter by the name of Blankenship. Also known as Pop, by the few who were fortunate enough to know him and the Great hound old Pop called Million Dollar Mac. The name came about because of Mac's Million Dollar Mouth.
Where Trixie was a trim built red tick female of about fifty pounds, Mac was a big leggy blue dog of about 80 pounds. Mac, like Trixie carried the Birdsong/Henry hounds up close.The same drifting style and speed from the Birdsong/Henry blood flowed in Macs veins. His endless endurance and nose was even better than Trixie's.
Macs sire is where the mystery comes into play. After years of research I am convinced that old Mac also carried the Galloway hounds on his sire’s side. There is a quarter of old Macs pedigree that has been impossible to track with any certain. Some have claimed Leopard cur, others have claimed Catahula hog dog. What this breeding produced in old Mac was 80 pounds of solid coon hound. All those who hunted with Mac claimed that he had the best nose of any hound they had ever hunted, and a mouth that these old hunters still talk about with awe in their voice. Mac had been blessed with one more thing. Mac was a reproducer of outstanding hounds. He sired a World Champion coon hound from the early 1950s. In those days the wild coon hunts were more of a test of a hounds endurance and ability than they are today. Mostly held in the south these hunts featured 3 to 4 hour casts and scattered coon. Cold trailing was a must. Most of old Macs pups had the nose and tracking ability to excel in these early hunts. Macs pups also had the mouth to be heard when those long tracks ended sometimes more than a mile from the hunters.
Mac was the foundation sire of 3 bloodlines of English hounds that made themselves a place in history. Unfortunately, most of these dogs were single registered. Some were false papered. Some folks never knew the true pedigree of the great hounds they bought from the western part of Tennessee. Others had old family rivalries that kept the true pedigree off the single registration form. Still others made up a pedigree so that their dog seemed to be of a new bloodline that only the owner of this dog had. This robbed the English breed of a great foundation sire at a time one was sourly needed, and it also robbed Mac of the credit he so richly deserved.
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Posted by Doug Robinson on 04-18-2017 02:56 AM:

Continued

_The First Light Foot Litter
_
_Trixie was about eight years old when she was bred to Mac, No one was sure of Mac's age but our best guess put Mac at 10 years old. Trixie soon gave birth to 3 puppies these puppies were born on the birth day of our most famous general, Bill thought naming the first pup born, A blue male "Ike" to honor of the general who had later became our president would be a good idea. The other male was named Sam the female was Neil. Bill raised these pups until they were about six months of age. On their first trip to the woods these puppies caught two Grey fox on the ground and treed with Trixie on three trees. All of these young hounds were nice but Bill had formed a bond with the first born pup known as "Ike". After just a few more trips to the woods Bill realized that training all three of these pups was just not a possibility. These pups just had a over abundance of drive, breaking them from fox was going to be a major endeavor.
Bill made a tough choice, the decision was made to send Sam and Neil to his uncle a fox hunter. Bill was hoping that like the Birdsong/Henry hounds these Young dogs would run fox for a couple years and then become "cutters" and start treeing. At that point the uncle was to call Bill and give Sam and Neil back to Bill.
Ike was a full time job and between going to collage and working Bill had all that he could handle. After getting his degree Bill took a job for the government and spent almost 2 years working in Texas. Bill's uncle, like many of the folks living in the hills of Kentucky in those days had no telephone. Bill was never told that his uncle had passed until he came home over the Christmas weekend. Bill immediately jumped into his car and headed from Evansville Indiana to Kentucky to see his aunt and to check on Sam and Neil.
_After consoling his aunt Bill asked about Sam and Neil, the aunt told Bill that without the uncle there was no way that she could feed let along take care of three hound's. Sam and Neil had a litter, and the uncle had allowed one male pup to live. The aunt had gotten word to a local dog trader that she had lost her husband and needed to get what she could for his hounds. The trader knew of these dog's as the uncle had been a well known hunter. This trader went to pick the dogs up, the price was $25.00 a head. Sam and the pup Ace were easy to catch but Neil was not going to be caught. Bill went to the trader to find only to find that these dogs were sold as part of a load that went to a big trader who lived in IL. It was 5 years later when Ace was found. The shame of this was that Ace had Bluetick papers and had earned night hunt titles. Once again old Mac was robbed of the credit he deserved. The English breed was again robbed of the chance to use a male dog who had made himself well known in the wild coon hunt's. Bill later purchased half interest in Ace and placed him 4Th and 6Th in the ACHA world hunt. Ace never really received the attention he deserved because of the controversy over his true breeding. Everyone hunting Light Foot dogs today have Ace in their pedigree's now you know why. Sam was found two years later and he also had blue tick papers and a Grnt Ch title. Sam was to old to breed a female so the dog was lost to the Light Foot hounds. I want to clearly state here that the owner of Ace and Sam were not the ones who had false papered the dogs, that was done by one of the traders. The owners of Sam and Ace were honest men who had just bought great Bluetick hound's that were not Blueticks at all but English. Old Neil never came back to the aunt's house she moved down the road to old fallen down house and lived by her whits and hunting skill. Neil had given birth to a litter of pups, hunger had taken all but one of these pups. Neil was found in bad shape by a local hunter. This man rescued Neil and her one surviving pup. The world had not been kind to Neil and she left for a better hunting ground. Neil never gained the fame that Ike or Sam had and no one knew that her pup from a earlier litter had become a world ch named Ace. Neil did make her place in history in a most unlikely way. The one small blue pup that had survived made a hound feared by the worlds best Competition hunters and like Ace this dog was a English World Champion. The dog never grew to be a large dog, so the name Little Joe stayed with him. The entire English breed owes much to Little Joe and Eugene Boyd that man who made him famous.
_While Sam, Ace or Neil never carried the name that has Light Foot, Ike did becoming well know through out the coon hound world as "Ike The Light Foot". Ike placed 2ND,4Th,5Th, 7Th, and 9Th in world hunts with a teenage handler. With a more experienced handler, Ike would have won the world hunt maybe several times. Most who were there agree on that including Bill.
_All of these dogs had the Drifting tracking style that made the Bridsong/Henry hounds so well known. All of the dogs were hard stay put tree dogs. Mac and Trixie would have been pleased. The off spring from Mac and Trixie had produced a bloodline of hounds that over 70 years later are still being hunted and enjoyed by hunters like myself across North America.
_

Posted by ill. lightfoot on 04-19-2017 03:38 PM:

I have had better luck with keeping them line bred, I have heard the same things about the quarter breeding. But in personal opinion is to keep them line bred

Posted by Toad Hill on 04-19-2017 05:14 PM:

Doug- thanks for all of that !! Wow! Great info !!!

Ill Lightfoot - Thanks !

Posted by Rocketman55 on 04-22-2017 04:34 AM:

Doug, I have to ask. By any chance, is the Mac dog you are referencing in the above post, the hound known as Million Dollar Mac??

If so, My Lizzie female, has quite a bit of that blood in her?

Just wondering??

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Posted by Doug Robinson on 04-22-2017 12:41 PM:

Dave

quote:
Originally posted by Rocketman55
Doug, I have to ask. By any chance, is the Mac dog you are referencing in the above post, the hound known as Million Dollar Mac??

If so, My Lizzie female, has quite a bit of that blood in her?

Just wondering??

Yes, Bill referred to him as Million Dollar Mac. Go back and read the second half of the first section I posted. Good to hear from you David.

Posted by BCotton on 04-26-2017 06:37 PM:

Very good reading. Thanks.

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Posted by jashuman on 04-29-2017 01:24 AM:

Lightfoot

Very interesting read, glad to have lightfoot blood in Campus Creek Boater. I hope to put it to good use in the years to come. Now I don't have to look for lightfoot name since I know it was also in little joe.

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Posted by Brian Chorney on 05-13-2017 07:24 AM:

Hey Doug, we are still at it. This is Lightfoot Legend and Lightfoot Rogue . In the pic they are 10 and a half months old. Treed on a mountain lion. They are line bred and go back to old Bruno 35 times in their pedigree. They are great grandsons of Blackjack.

Brian

Posted by Doug Robinson on 05-14-2017 09:33 PM:

Brian

quote:
Originally posted by Brian Chorney
Hey Doug, we are still at it. This is Lightfoot Legend and Lightfoot Rogue . In the pic they are 10 and a half months old. Treed on a mountain lion. They are line bred and go back to old Bruno 35 times in their pedigree. They are great grandsons of Blackjack.

Brian

Your killin me Brian!!! Dustin seems to have dropped off the map haven't seen or heard anything from him in quite awhile...man I did see your article in the English issue of bloodlines a few yrs back it was great reading!! What's a fella gotta do to get a pup from you Brian??? LOL! I hope all is well and please keep in touch!

Posted by Brian Chorney on 05-14-2017 10:34 PM:

Might plan a litter fir summer. Keep ya posted.

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Posted by Jparker on 05-19-2017 04:15 AM:

How are these hounds track ability and drive its getting hard to find dogs with cold noses if yall dont mind telling me

Posted by RANDY GIBSON on 06-13-2017 03:52 PM:

Titan

I have a yard full of lightfoot blood here in west Virginia. Planning a tight linebred cross in the near future. Off of coons treers. Titan has reproduced some hair pullers for the bear hunters an pups off Maggie has as well. Good looking pups Brain.

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Posted by RANDY GIBSON on 06-14-2017 05:01 PM:

Doug

Reading your post, Bill is still alive

Posted by RANDY GIBSON on 06-14-2017 05:03 PM:

Neil Giffin

Can tell you all you want to know about Mac

Posted by BEST EVER on 06-19-2017 04:51 PM:

Re: Doug

quote:
Originally posted by RANDY GIBSON
Reading your post, Bill is still alive

Bill Clark lives in southern Illinois along the walbash river.

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Posted by BEST EVER on 07-11-2019 06:02 PM:

Re: Continued

It is a shame Bruno never got the recognition he deserved. Just because someone hurt a few feelings by telling the truth is why he did not get recognized. Look at the numbers / results and tell me this is not so. Would he not not have had the best percentage ever with over a 100 pups? I heard it was right at 21%!

quote:
Originally posted by Doug Robinson
_The First Light Foot Litter
_
_Trixie was about eight years old when she was bred to Mac, No one was sure of Mac's age but our best guess put Mac at 10 years old. Trixie soon gave birth to 3 puppies these puppies were born on the birth day of our most famous general, Bill thought naming the first pup born, A blue male "Ike" to honor of the general who had later became our president would be a good idea. The other male was named Sam the female was Neil. Bill raised these pups until they were about six months of age. On their first trip to the woods these puppies caught two Grey fox on the ground and treed with Trixie on three trees. All of these young hounds were nice but Bill had formed a bond with the first born pup known as "Ike". After just a few more trips to the woods Bill realized that training all three of these pups was just not a possibility. These pups just had a over abundance of drive, breaking them from fox was going to be a major endeavor.
Bill made a tough choice, the decision was made to send Sam and Neil to his uncle a fox hunter. Bill was hoping that like the Birdsong/Henry hounds these Young dogs would run fox for a couple years and then become "cutters" and start treeing. At that point the uncle was to call Bill and give Sam and Neil back to Bill.
Ike was a full time job and between going to collage and working Bill had all that he could handle. After getting his degree Bill took a job for the government and spent almost 2 years working in Texas. Bill's uncle, like many of the folks living in the hills of Kentucky in those days had no telephone. Bill was never told that his uncle had passed until he came home over the Christmas weekend. Bill immediately jumped into his car and headed from Evansville Indiana to Kentucky to see his aunt and to check on Sam and Neil.
_After consoling his aunt Bill asked about Sam and Neil, the aunt told Bill that without the uncle there was no way that she could feed let along take care of three hound's. Sam and Neil had a litter, and the uncle had allowed one male pup to live. The aunt had gotten word to a local dog trader that she had lost her husband and needed to get what she could for his hounds. The trader knew of these dog's as the uncle had been a well known hunter. This trader went to pick the dogs up, the price was $25.00 a head. Sam and the pup Ace were easy to catch but Neil was not going to be caught. Bill went to the trader to find only to find that these dogs were sold as part of a load that went to a big trader who lived in IL. It was 5 years later when Ace was found. The shame of this was that Ace had Bluetick papers and had earned night hunt titles. Once again old Mac was robbed of the credit he deserved. The English breed was again robbed of the chance to use a male dog who had made himself well known in the wild coon hunt's. Bill later purchased half interest in Ace and placed him 4Th and 6Th in the ACHA world hunt. Ace never really received the attention he deserved because of the controversy over his true breeding. Everyone hunting Light Foot dogs today have Ace in their pedigree's now you know why. Sam was found two years later and he also had blue tick papers and a Grnt Ch title. Sam was to old to breed a female so the dog was lost to the Light Foot hounds. I want to clearly state here that the owner of Ace and Sam were not the ones who had false papered the dogs, that was done by one of the traders. The owners of Sam and Ace were honest men who had just bought great Bluetick hound's that were not Blueticks at all but English. Old Neil never came back to the aunt's house she moved down the road to old fallen down house and lived by her whits and hunting skill. Neil had given birth to a litter of pups, hunger had taken all but one of these pups. Neil was found in bad shape by a local hunter. This man rescued Neil and her one surviving pup. The world had not been kind to Neil and she left for a better hunting ground. Neil never gained the fame that Ike or Sam had and no one knew that her pup from a earlier litter had become a world ch named Ace. Neil did make her place in history in a most unlikely way. The one small blue pup that had survived made a hound feared by the worlds best Competition hunters and like Ace this dog was a English World Champion. The dog never grew to be a large dog, so the name Little Joe stayed with him. The entire English breed owes much to Little Joe and Eugene Boyd that man who made him famous.
_While Sam, Ace or Neil never carried the name that has Light Foot, Ike did becoming well know through out the coon hound world as "Ike The Light Foot". Ike placed 2ND,4Th,5Th, 7Th, and 9Th in world hunts with a teenage handler. With a more experienced handler, Ike would have won the world hunt maybe several times. Most who were there agree on that including Bill.
_All of these dogs had the Drifting tracking style that made the Bridsong/Henry hounds so well known. All of the dogs were hard stay put tree dogs. Mac and Trixie would have been pleased. The off spring from Mac and Trixie had produced a bloodline of hounds that over 70 years later are still being hunted and enjoyed by hunters like myself across North America.
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