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Opening or closing the books for 2017

Please watch for your 2016 yearbooks. There will be a ballot at the back of the yearbook. We are going to vote as an group to either open the books or keep them closed for 2017. Please vote yes or no and print and sign your name. They must be post marked no later than August 15, 2016. All envelopes will remain sealed until the counting of the votes begin the Saturday of Autumn Oaks. The votes will be counted at the ALBA membership table. All members are welcome to be present. You must be a paying member at the time of your vote. Address to send vote will be announced after Leopard Days in March. Adena Fussnecker, ALBA President.

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Adena Fussnecker - ALBA President

WSHOWCH GRCH CCH Elburns Indigo
Leopard World Wshowch
-2016 CHKC Little World Reserve Champion
-2016 AKC Youth World Champion
-2015 UKC Overall World Show Champion
-2015 ALBA World Show Champion
-2015 Overall Leopard Hound at Leopard Days
-2014 Top 10 American Leopard Hound
-Multiple years Purina breed contender
-2014 Overall Opposite Sex at Leopard Days
-2012 Champion Male at Walker Days
-2012/2013 Champion Male ALH @ Autumn Oaks
-2011, 2013, 2014, 2015 UKC World Show Best of Breed
-2014 National Grand Champion American Leopard Hound at Autumn Oaks
-2015 National Grand Champion American Leopard Hound Opposite Sex at Autumn Oaks

CH Ronjohn Southern Blue Blaze (ALH)
Co-owned with Bobby Chamness
-2015 Autumn Oaks champion leopard male
-2015 Indiana State BMOS

'PR' Darkside I Love Lucy (Bluetick)
Co-owned with Jewel Edman
-2015 Autumn Oaks Bluetick puppy class winner


'PR' R&A's Cherry Creek Eye Candy (TW)
-co owened with Bobby and Elizabeth Chamness

Thanks, for the update sounds like a good deal to me I think its a good step in the right direction! Gives folks a chance to voice their thoughts and ideals about it.

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John Cox
580 284 8378

Who made the motion and in what business meeting to add the ballot to the yearbook? I am not sure this is the correct way to go about things........

How do we handle another member wanting to add a ballot to bring back long hair?

What if they purchase a page in our yearbook and choose to use it as a ballot?

I think doing things this way is opening a big can of worms.


Perry

Love this. Will make the voting so much easier, plus for all those who can't be present.

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Effrem & Haley Creasman
Thunderstruck American Leopard Hounds
Sylva, NC
creasmankennels.weebly.com

I am with Perry on this. would like to see when and what meeting it was voted on to do this.

So basically it doesn't matter to you guys what the opinion of the majority is? But the bylaws, but the bylaws...... Predictable

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Lonetree Kennels "Where dogs are made one tree at a time."
Home of-
David and Jessica Smith 605-270-2674
GRNITECH 'PR' DERBY CITY SANDY
GRNITECH GRCH CASH'S CAMO JUG OF SHINE
--2012 National Grand Nite Champion American Leopard Hound
--High Scoring Leopard 2012 Autumn Oaks
--High scoring Leopard Saturday night at Leopard days 2011
--Qualified for the 2011 UKC World Hunt.
--High Scoring Leopard of the 2011 UKC World Hunt
--Breed Winner for the 2011 Purina Race Hunt
--2011 South Dakota State Hunt Champion
CH RYLEIGH'S GRIM REAPER
--Tri-State Coonhunters Association 2010 Bench show dog of the year

And the Redbone--
2013 Tri-State Overall Bench Show Dog of the Year:
'PR' CH RAGGED RIDGE CJ (Willie) co-owned with Bob Julson

I just noticed over on the X-Breed post where it stated this:

UKC sent Letters out to all breed associations yesterday so we should be finding out soon and will post as soon as I have that information. This is for the year 2016 so what are we doing opening or closing them.

So we need to figure out what we're doing call the Board members or the President or VP and let them know how you vote!

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John Cox
580 284 8378

Before you vote...

Remember guys it's not flinging the door wide open its just giving somebody who wants to try something different a path back. It's gonna take a lot of dedication and work to do it. 3 generations, minimum before a dog would be eligible to be single registered. Three generations, all out in the open, not behind the barn. If you haven't watched UKC's video on the xbred program you need to before you decide yes or no. This deal is a fair compromise for everybody in the breed. You may not like how another guy breeds but at least you'll know what he is doing and what he is mixing in. You'll be able to trace the dog's true ancestors and it will prevent the crooks and behind the barn breeder's from adding things to the breed that people are unaware of.

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Lonetree Kennels "Where dogs are made one tree at a time."
Home of-
David and Jessica Smith 605-270-2674
GRNITECH 'PR' DERBY CITY SANDY
GRNITECH GRCH CASH'S CAMO JUG OF SHINE
--2012 National Grand Nite Champion American Leopard Hound
--High Scoring Leopard 2012 Autumn Oaks
--High scoring Leopard Saturday night at Leopard days 2011
--Qualified for the 2011 UKC World Hunt.
--High Scoring Leopard of the 2011 UKC World Hunt
--Breed Winner for the 2011 Purina Race Hunt
--2011 South Dakota State Hunt Champion
CH RYLEIGH'S GRIM REAPER
--Tri-State Coonhunters Association 2010 Bench show dog of the year

And the Redbone--
2013 Tri-State Overall Bench Show Dog of the Year:
'PR' CH RAGGED RIDGE CJ (Willie) co-owned with Bob Julson

Xbred presentation.

https://youtu.be/v9ulKtMuROc

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Lonetree Kennels "Where dogs are made one tree at a time."
Home of-
David and Jessica Smith 605-270-2674
GRNITECH 'PR' DERBY CITY SANDY
GRNITECH GRCH CASH'S CAMO JUG OF SHINE
--2012 National Grand Nite Champion American Leopard Hound
--High Scoring Leopard 2012 Autumn Oaks
--High scoring Leopard Saturday night at Leopard days 2011
--Qualified for the 2011 UKC World Hunt.
--High Scoring Leopard of the 2011 UKC World Hunt
--Breed Winner for the 2011 Purina Race Hunt
--2011 South Dakota State Hunt Champion
CH RYLEIGH'S GRIM REAPER
--Tri-State Coonhunters Association 2010 Bench show dog of the year

And the Redbone--
2013 Tri-State Overall Bench Show Dog of the Year:
'PR' CH RAGGED RIDGE CJ (Willie) co-owned with Bob Julson

john,
My vote is keep them closed.

We also vote closed.

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Effrem & Haley Creasman
Thunderstruck American Leopard Hounds
Sylva, NC
creasmankennels.weebly.com

Dave, thats some good info thanks for posting the link and what you said makes sence to me in the fact its out in the open.

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John Cox
580 284 8378

I have given a lot of thought to the Ballot compared to the Meeting vote here's one for you all to ponder lets say you do it by a ballot and that way theres no way to control the vote it would be a fair count now compare it to having it at the meeting all someone has to do is have friends show up and vote which ever way they want and it will be opened or closed depending on the number of who shows up. So the ballet system might be the way to go. But thats JMO

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John Cox
580 284 8378

not saying a ballot system is a bad thing. Just don't think a couple people have the right to decide. I think it should of been proposed during an official meeting so everyone had the same opportunity to attend.
Next year should we do a ballot to bring back long hair?

ballots

I like the ballot idea. I can only go to a limited amount of larger hunts so this helps to hear everyone's opinion not the select few.

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Bill Endress

For those voting no.....

What are some of your concerns with the program that cause you to vote no. What things are you trying to prevent. Try to convince me to vote to keep the books closed. Show me the benefits of keeping the books closed. Share with us your reasoning. Why do you not want the books opened.

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Lonetree Kennels "Where dogs are made one tree at a time."
Home of-
David and Jessica Smith 605-270-2674
GRNITECH 'PR' DERBY CITY SANDY
GRNITECH GRCH CASH'S CAMO JUG OF SHINE
--2012 National Grand Nite Champion American Leopard Hound
--High Scoring Leopard 2012 Autumn Oaks
--High scoring Leopard Saturday night at Leopard days 2011
--Qualified for the 2011 UKC World Hunt.
--High Scoring Leopard of the 2011 UKC World Hunt
--Breed Winner for the 2011 Purina Race Hunt
--2011 South Dakota State Hunt Champion
CH RYLEIGH'S GRIM REAPER
--Tri-State Coonhunters Association 2010 Bench show dog of the year

And the Redbone--
2013 Tri-State Overall Bench Show Dog of the Year:
'PR' CH RAGGED RIDGE CJ (Willie) co-owned with Bob Julson

I see no reason to mix the 2 . UKC now has an X-breed program for those wishing to openly cross breed and they have all the benefits of the PR bred dogs as far as competing, sales etc. Plain and simple keep them separate. If I want a redbone or walker I will get one. If I want a mix breed I can get an x-breed. If I want I leopard I prefer a leopard.
I really believe the leopards have what is needed to improve internally. Unfortunately a lot of leopards are not in the public eye to the degree of a lot of the other breeds.

Tell me what is wrong with finding a leopard with what you need and using it?
If the leopards are in such bad shape why did you feel the need to choose and fix them?

You know the vote no matter how its done will be the same at least for now I don't see it getting opened anytime soon. I just don't see the numbers to make it happen as for the Ballot system going into effect its going to make the membership grow more then anything else folks have dropped out over the years cause they haven't been able to voice their ideals and this will let them be heard somewhat depending on whats on the ballot.

As for which meeting was it brought up at, and voted on to have it. I know of two different meeting it was brought up at. But in this case The Presdent has to let UKC know weather to open or close it for 2016. So it will be up to the info the President gets from the members for this coming year and the 2017 year it will be by the Ballot system.

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John Cox
580 284 8378

What happens to the information that gets shared in an open forum like the meetings? It will be lost. Where do we use the ballot system? All the business or just certain topics? Who decides what topics. My own personal experience has been a good exchange of information in the discussion part of meetings. I have attended meetings thinking I knew exactly how I felt about a topic. In the meeting someone brings up a point I had never considered and my mind changes.

John,
Why are past members who have attended not showing up at the events now? Curious as to your thoughts.

I think the secret to growing membership is in strong leadership, hard work and keeping people connected. News letters, sectional hunts. fellowship events as well as competition. As you know I was heavily involved in the UKC change. It was not the success I envisioned. I saw it as open to the competition hunter as well as the pleasure hunters. I felt we were lacking a reliable registrar having had multiple ownership changes over the year. I felt we had little to no say so in the direction our breed was heading. We lacked a registrar we could work with. I feel with the decision being made this year by the officers for the open/closing of books for 2016 is a step back for me. I am not a rich man. I have family and a demanding job. I decided these dogs were important enough to me to attend events and take part first hand. A decision I do not regret. I made friends, saw a lot of dogs, hunted with owners and dogs that are leopard legends. Learned a lot and had a general good time. I am truly sorry for some of you that have never experienced a Leopard World hunt etc. At the rate we are going opportunities may be disappearing. Having said that the crowd of leopard people at he Leopard Days is nothing spectacular.
The last World hunt held at my club MCCHA had people from 13 states and Canada. Over 3-4 days we had 350-400 people visit. How would that compare with current Leopard Days and the World Leopard Hunt? We have some work to do!!

Perry

Perry I think I was at the 2009 you all held at your club and I didn't see that many folks there unless it was a different hunt. Shucks Perry we had 13 states represented, year before last when it was in Oklahoma.

As for this question: Why are past members who have attended not showing up at the events now? Curious as to your thoughts.

I would say the times have changed as well as some folks getting older and some things aren't as important as it used to be to some.
And I would say the main thing is changing over to UKC was a factor for some to be honest. But one of the things keeping it from growing is the back and forth going on between the old and the new folks coming into the breed. We all just need to get along and agree to disagree. But to stay in the dark and let 14 or so folks control the growth of the ALBA is wrong. But I agree we have a lot of work to do thats for sure!

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John Cox
580 284 8378

John,
2009 that sounds right but as I get older just can't recall dates like I use to. You ain't that far behind. I am sure you are beginning to see what I mean.
As for the crowd, hmm.... 2 coon hunters recalling an event differently..... how rare is that.... lol....... must be the competition hunter in each of us!!

Remind me next time we run into each other, If 2009 is correct I got a couple stories from the 2007 hunt that will have you rolling!

Perry

I've been to some world hunts and I've been to some Leopard day hunts.I prefer the Leopard days hunt over the world hunt.I don't know why other people quit going to the hunts but I myself quit just because I got to much going on with my family life far as kids playing ball and I only get a certain amount of days off at work and I'd rather use them with my family right now.When my kids get older I'll probably start hitting some hunts again but till then I got more important stuff to do.I love the hunts and enjoy hunting and talking to everybody and Leopard days is a great hunt.

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