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Posted by travis gideon on 10-26-2016 10:37 PM:

Feist guys, check out the new world hunt lay out!!!

Splitting up the Feist's and the Cur's this year! 2 world champion's a Feist and a Cur!!! In Corbin, KY March 10 & 11.

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Posted by Bigpoppy on 10-26-2016 10:51 PM:

What a joke! If you can't run with the big dogs, stay home. To me this is another step backwards for the feist. Feist hunters have been breeding to compete with the big dogs for years so hunting where there split up would be admitting that they can't.

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Posted by travis gideon on 10-26-2016 11:35 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Bigpoppy
What a joke! If you can't run with the big dogs, stay home. To me this is another step backwards for the feist. Feist hunters have been breeding to compete with the big dogs for years so hunting where there split up would be admitting that they can't.

Joe Levan

I see your point, but bet your in the minority....

I think you'll see numbers increase. Lots of Feist guys out there not going for other reasons than their dogs can't tree just as many squirrels.

Posted by McSquizzie on 10-27-2016 02:41 AM:

I think there will be more participation in the feist hunt, but to the detriment of the breed if it continues to be split. Feists are in the handicap zone anyway due to leg length and size compared to big curs or hounds. I love seeing a feist win against all comers in spite of.

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Posted by moleman on 10-27-2016 04:41 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Bigpoppy
What a joke! If you can't run with the big dogs, stay home. To me this is another step backwards for the feist. Feist hunters have been breeding to compete with the big dogs for years so hunting where there split up would be admitting that they can't.

Joe Levan

That is the MAF headquarters,ring a bell,i think it is going backwards for feist myself but i have read threads of some them whining about feist can not compete with curs,that is segregation of the breeds they should hunt them together.

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Posted by bk1977 on 10-27-2016 05:35 AM:

fiest vs cur

If you were to hunt them both 30 days in a row, through all weather, which one would prevail? I mean taking them where squirrels live, and cutting them loose. Not turning them out 1/4 mile from the woods in a pasture field. This is a question I have not tested, but have seen them turned loose together a few times.

Posted by Oak Ridge on 10-27-2016 12:38 PM:

Really?

I honestly believe it to be very similar to the "Bird Dogs" and "Rabbit Dogs" events that UKC hosts...

Let's look at the beagles....Yes, they all hunt rabbits, but there are different "divisions" of field trials to satisfy for different "styles" of dogs. Small Pack, Large Pack, Brace, and Hunting Beagles.

Each of these different "divisions" have events, with rules that cater to different "styles" of dogs that accomplish the same thing...they run rabbits....

If one was to think about it critically, the curs typically operate (by operate I mean they hunt with a different style) differently from the Fiest. That does not make one breed "superior" to the other, just differently. And taking two different "styles" and lumping them together because they accomplish the same goal does not make them the same type of dog even if they are after the same game.

I truly don't think for one minute that it is a sign of inferiority or weakness that the types of dogs are split up....there are other registries that split the draw by weight, and I don't see any huge uproar there..... For the most part the feist guys were not participating anyway....

I get it, change is hard for all of us.... but if UKC wants to take interest in the cur/feist program and make changes to it in the hope that it will grow, and bring folks to the events that may not have ever dreamed of going to a UKC hunt, why would anyone have issues with that.....

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Posted by Bigpoppy on 10-27-2016 01:38 PM:

If UKC was worried about getting more dogs entered in there hunts and that's why they are doing this, one would think that they would let other dogs come and compete as long as they are ukc registered. God forbid they let anything compete that looks too houndy. Anyone that feels that they have a dog that can compete at a high enough level to win a world hunt should not be scared to turn loose with a dog that's a bit bigger. Me myself would not be nearly excited about having the world champion feist or the world champion cur. To me the all together world champion would mean much more. I personally have hunted high end squirrel dogs from 20 lbs to 80 lbs and would never want separated by weight no matter which one I was hunting. My opinions are just that and sometimes harsh but weight classes in squirrel hunts are for cry babies.

Posted by Oak Creek Kenne on 10-27-2016 02:30 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Bigpoppy
If UKC was worried about getting more dogs entered in there hunts and that's why they are doing this, one would think that they would let other dogs come and compete as long as they are ukc registered. God forbid they let anything compete that looks too houndy. Anyone that feels that they have a dog that can compete at a high enough level to win a world hunt should not be scared to turn loose with a dog that's a bit bigger. Me myself would not be nearly excited about having the world champion feist or the world champion cur. To me the all together world champion would mean much more. I personally have hunted high end squirrel dogs from 20 lbs to 80 lbs and would never want separated by weight no matter which one I was hunting. My opinions are just that and sometimes harsh but weight classes in squirrel hunts are for cry babies.

x2, all this is gonna do is give out more opportunities for undeserving dogs too gain a world champion ship title instead of having just a handful of world champ feists before long we will have a surplus of them and the title will mean little too nothing, which we can sit here and grumble about it all day, its not gonna change anything...someone is convinced feists cant compete with the other dogs, which in fact thats actually the truth in alot of cases but not all, heck most feists cant even compete against other feists successfully.. i say if any of you fellas have a good top feist dog and dont agree with this, show up and take the whole cake for yourselves, our name will be in the hat. thats for sure.

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Posted by Oak Ridge on 10-27-2016 02:43 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Bigpoppy
If UKC was worried about getting more dogs entered in there hunts and that's why they are doing this, one would think that they would let other dogs come and compete as long as they are ukc registered. God forbid they let anything compete that looks too houndy. Anyone that feels that they have a dog that can compete at a high enough level to win a world hunt should not be scared to turn loose with a dog that's a bit bigger. Me myself would not be nearly excited about having the world champion feist or the world champion cur. To me the all together world champion would mean much more. I personally have hunted high end squirrel dogs from 20 lbs to 80 lbs and would never want separated by weight no matter which one I was hunting. My opinions are just that and sometimes harsh but weight classes in squirrel hunts are for cry babies.

Not as an excuse, or even an argument....because some of what you are saying I agree with......but I also know that Rome was not built in a day. I don't own a feist, so I don't have a dog in that fight. What I know is that UKC has committed to expending at least some effort in reviving and growing it's "Cur and Feist" program. The low hanging fruit looked to be the number of feist owners that wont, dont, and are not interested in hunting against treeing curs.....and it worked when they had a large turn out for a "Feist days" hunt.

So if goal #1 is to grow the program, that seems to be an easy choice.

Now, as for the "too houndy"....I'm sure that is an issue that can be tackled. While I'm not aware of the reasoning for not allowing dogs that are "too houndy" to compete, there may be room for discussions in the future about expanding those opportunities as well....but slamming the feist for wanting to hunt against dogs of the same style, using the same rules is not likely to get your goal accomplished.

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Posted by dbender on 10-27-2016 07:32 PM:

Re: fiest vs cur

quote:
Originally posted by bk1977
If you were to hunt them both 30 days in a row, through all weather, which one would prevail? I mean taking them where squirrels live, and cutting them loose. Not turning them out 1/4 mile from the woods in a pasture field. This is a question I have not tested, but have seen them turned loose together a few times.

Bk I don't quite follow. Are you saying a feist will tree more squirrels in a 30 day period of hunting than a cur?

Posted by travis gideon on 10-27-2016 09:52 PM:

On another front, I know guys that have curs that are super coon dogs, and some say, better than a hound or hounds, but that doesn't mean they are running to enter them in all the coon hunts or world hunt with hounds! Hunt what you like to hunt, feed what you want to feed, etc....if you want to hunt your feist with curs or curs with hounds, go for it, I'm sure there are registries out there that will allow you to feel like you "beat them all", no matter what kind of dog you hunt. I just think there will way more interest for the feist guys to bring their feist to a hunt and hunt against other feist's! Same as the curs hunting with curs and hounds hunting against hounds....

Posted by bk1977 on 10-28-2016 01:37 AM:

just a question

Dbender , not at all. Was a serious question. I read the original post, its something I have always wondered. Sorry didn't mean to get off subject.

Posted by Wade B. on 10-28-2016 06:58 PM:

Haters gonna hate

It's really funny seeing the ones who are really whining and crying on here about quote "others" who are supposedly whining and being cry babies. Lol
And when a Feist gets the title of World Champion they'll be whining and crying even louder about folks who are "supposedly" whining and crying!

Posted by Bigpoppy on 10-28-2016 07:30 PM:

Re: Haters gonna hate

quote:
Originally posted by Wade B.
It's really funny seeing the ones who are really whining and crying on here about quote "others" who are supposedly whining and being cry babies. Lol
And when a Feist gets the title of World Champion they'll be whining and crying even louder about folks who are "supposedly" whining and crying!

What? Lol. That made 0 sense

Posted by moleman on 10-29-2016 02:23 AM:

Re: Haters gonna hate

quote:
Originally posted by Wade B.
It's really funny seeing the ones who are really whining and crying on here about quote "others" who are supposedly whining and being cry babies. Lol
And when a Feist gets the title of World Champion they'll be whining and crying even louder about folks who are "supposedly" whining and crying!

If you want to see people crying and whining even louder !!!

They should hunt the winners from each for the true world champion !!!

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Posted by Wade B. on 10-29-2016 06:29 AM:

Lol

Thanks for proving my point!

Posted by Wade B. on 10-29-2016 06:37 AM:

I got an idea!

How about folks quit whining and crying about a "true" world champion and how about folks quit whining and crying about "dogs that can and can't compete" as a matter a fact, how about folks just quit whining and crying PERIOD! Enjoy yourself! Enjoy your dog whatever breed! Enjoy your hunt which ever you choose to hunt! Just everybody quit whining and crying and oh yeah, may the best Feist win the UKC World Title! #nowhiningallowed

Posted by moonshine man on 10-30-2016 08:32 PM:

said the man with the little prick eared dog that has been dreaming for the day to come to hold the world title that was won against other little prick eared dogs to have a chance , it was time to split them everyone deserves a chance at the world title the way i see it ..

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Posted by Oak Creek Kenne on 10-31-2016 11:36 AM:

give everybody a cookie and a pat on the back and call it a good time! MERICA!

Posted by Ardel Ledbetter on 10-31-2016 02:05 PM:

Who will be deciding which is which?

Posted by Wade B. on 11-01-2016 01:06 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by moonshine man
said the man with the little prick eared dog that has been dreaming for the day to come to hold the world title that was won against other little prick eared dogs to have a chance , it was time to split them everyone deserves a chance at the world title the way i see it ..

Oh yeah "prick eared" who didn't see that one coming? Lol
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Posted by M Taylor 56 on 11-01-2016 01:14 AM:

Well you can't hunt a fuzzy one so what does that leave you?

Posted by Oak Creek Kenne on 11-01-2016 01:39 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by M Taylor 56
Well you can't hunt a fuzzy one so what does that leave you?

not very much,

Posted by Wade B. on 11-01-2016 05:16 PM:

LOL

quote:
Originally posted by M Taylor 56
Well you can't hunt a fuzzy one so what does that leave you?

With more whining about fuzziness no less! I'm a leave it with y'all on that note. I think everyone sees who is really whining here and who isn't. 😜😜

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