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Posted by bsilvers1 on 06-27-2023 04:26 AM:

Me too dog training

I'm seeing some guys shocking their hounds if it's not the first dog to strike. They say if it doesn't strike first it doesn't need to go to the same tree. In shocking there dogs in this situation they say it will learn to be independent and not tree with other dogs. My thoughts are you should never shock a dog for striking or treeing a coon. I'm interested in other people's thoughts, so let's hear all yalls thoughts. Also I'm not trying to stir the pot and I could care less how people train there dogs I just wouldn't use this method myself.


Posted by Robert Johnson on 06-27-2023 11:46 AM:

Its a really dumb idea. Independence is not a taught. Fear is. Lots of young dogs are ruined through the ignorance of the person who thinks a shock control device is the only way to get their attention.

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Posted by Jason Bourne on 06-27-2023 07:25 PM:

Wait 10 years

In order to have hunts you will eventually need a dog ten years from now that can tree coon anywhere with anything, loners tend to get out of pocket. I want a legitimate first strike first tree dog, ifs it's slow to get first and first most of the time, I move on. Shocking to answer your question has ruined alot of dogs.


Posted by bsmith921 on 06-28-2023 12:16 AM:

Are you allowed to use the shock feature during competition hunts? If not do you have to get a new system that doesn’t have the shock feature to completion hunt? Hoping to get into comp hunting next year and was wondering.

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Posted by Jason Bourne on 06-28-2023 01:59 AM:

Leave it in the truck

I run a Garmin to tone my dog in afterwards, not to be used in the actual hunt, so the second Garmin has no shocking capabilities.Tracking only. Always tell your cast you have two units on your dog, you have nothing to hide.


Posted by randywoodard2 on 06-30-2023 11:15 PM:

I have heard of a couple paying big money and then ruining them with shocking and beating on them

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Posted by TN Quick Check on 07-01-2023 08:03 PM:

Re: Leave it in the truck

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Originally posted by Jason Bourne
I run a Garmin to tone my dog in afterwards, not to be used in the actual hunt, so the second Garmin has no shocking capabilities.Tracking only. Always tell your cast you have two units on your dog, you have nothing to hide.


You can't have a collar on that is capable of controlling the dog period in the hunt. In the old days you could have a shock collar on and the remote had to be left in the truck. You would be scratched for running that collar on your dog if you cut loose during hunt time.


Posted by Knifeman on 07-02-2023 05:42 AM:

Shocking

So your dogs out hunting when out of nowhere for no reason he gets shocked !?!? The competition world has gotten so far away from the reality of treeing coons , it just boggles my mind . I wonder how anyone chooses a stud dog . His abilities and characteristics aren’t a reflection of his genes but how voltage has formed him . Is Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi in charge of the rules for competition ? I’m outta here


Posted by DL NH on 07-02-2023 02:06 PM:

The independence that makes the best competition dogs is determined at the moment of fertilization. Anything else is induced by humans. Electronic training collars in the hands of a fool is a travesty for his/her dog.

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Posted by Dogwhisper on 07-02-2023 10:27 PM:

Re: Shocking

quote:
Originally posted by Knifeman
I wonder how anyone chooses a stud dog . His abilities and characteristics aren’t a reflection of his genes but how voltage has formed him .

Well put .....


Posted by Reuben on 07-03-2023 02:36 AM:

Re: Shocking

quote:
Originally posted by Knifeman

I wonder how anyone chooses a stud dog . His abilities and characteristics aren’t a reflection of his genes but how voltage has formed him . Is Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi in charge of the rules for competition ? I’m outta here [/B]


Good observation Dogwhisper and agree with the “well put “…
Years ago I came to the same conclusion…

a while back there was an epigenetic study on shocking mice to discourage a certain behavior in the offspring and the scientists were able to see the change in in the offspring and for two more generations…

Epigenetics is the study of gene manipulation through environmental changes to get a different result…
They say DNA is fixed so certain behaviors will remain the same…but through epigenetics some of the genes around the DNA will be turned on and others turned off thus changing the behavior in the offspring and sometimes for several generations or more…

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Posted by Reuben on 07-03-2023 02:50 AM:

While shocking can very easily ruin the dog…using it sparingly and at the right time can speed up the training process…

It seems to me that winning at all costs is more important than producing a well rounded hunting dog for some…and for others it is the other way around…

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