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Posted by Purple12 on 07-26-2023 04:29 PM:

Was Turning It On Then Turned The Lights Off

I have a 19 month male dog, last winter he got started going good was always good for a tree a night and very accurate, not the best track dog, one bark stay put tree dog. Did not recast well, not a big hunting dog but would try enough to get one up off the ground and gong. Alrite fast forward to spring, the dogs acting the same except one thing no coons up those tree, now it’s July he’ll barley get outta sight has very little desire to go when cut loose mite have treed and saw 5 coons since May hunting regularly, never had one go backwards on me this much just seeing what y’all thought. Never was all that but was suiting my style of pleasure hunting but not now something will have to change or he’s gone

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Posted by MOcoondogs on 07-26-2023 05:46 PM:

Have you had a vet check him out? It seem very common that health issues bring on such dramatic changes

Posted by Dave Richards on 07-27-2023 12:43 AM:

Re: Was Turning It On Then Turned The Lights Off

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Originally posted by Purple12
I have a 19 month male dog, last winter he got started going good was always good for a tree a night and very accurate, not the best track dog, one bark stay put tree dog. Did not recast well, not a big hunting dog but would try enough to get one up off the ground and gong. Alrite fast forward to spring, the dogs acting the same except one thing no coons up those tree, now it’s July he’ll barley get outta sight has very little desire to go when cut loose mite have treed and saw 5 coons since May hunting regularly, never had one go backwards on me this much just seeing what y’all thought. Never was all that but was suiting my style of pleasure hunting but not now something will have to change or he’s gone

My guess is that he does not like heat or summer hunting period. You said he did fine in the winter months. Personally, I do NOT think summer hunting helps any dog. I have hunted year around in years past and summer hunting did not really help any dog young or old. Now, I only hunt in the Fall and Winter months. It does not take long to get a dog in shape starting in the Fall where you can shoot coons out and see what the dog/s are doing. Dave

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Posted by Travis O. on 07-28-2023 01:26 PM:

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Originally posted by Dave Richards
My guess is that he does not like heat or summer hunting period. You said he did fine in the winter months. Personally, I do NOT think summer hunting helps any dog. I have hunted year around in years past and summer hunting did not really help any dog young or old. Now, I only hunt in the Fall and Winter months. It does not take long to get a dog in shape starting in the Fall where you can shoot coons out and see what the dog/s are doing. Dave

I agree with Dave. Summer hunting takes a lot of practice for some dogs. I'm hunting a 12 mo old dog that has treed over 75 coons by himself but does not look very good in standing corn, itch weed and brush. I sold a b&t for this exact reason that went on to make gr nt ch once he had an extra summer on him. Good luck and stay patient if possible, it's not easy to do so.

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Posted by Jason Bourne on 07-28-2023 07:12 PM:

Enough excuses on summer hunting

I go because they don't get better sitting, if it lacks desire in the heat, dogs not for me.
Serious hunters hunt, no excuses. Serious comp hunters dogs have more desire than an average night champion. Wanting a high motor.....hound. Don't confuse run of the mill with Cadillacs.

Posted by shadinc on 07-29-2023 01:27 AM:

I've been summer hunting for 60 years and never saw a dog I thought was in trouble until three weeks ago. My two females struck a hot track and ran it about 8oo yards in some of the thickest country around here. They passed pretty close to me and the 18-month-old quit. She was about 40 yards away and I could hear her panting. She stayed right there. The older dog went another 100 yards and quit. I called and the older one came. I put her in the box and gave her water. She couldn't drink she was panting so heavily. I went to get the young dog as she wouldn't move. When I got about 20 feet from her she came to me staggering. I have never seen a dog this affected by heat. They're not Cadillacs, but I never saw them quit a track. We're having an unusually hot and dry summer.

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Posted by Dave Richards on 07-30-2023 09:01 PM:

Re: Enough excuses on summer hunting

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Originally posted by Jason Bourne
I go because they don't get better sitting, if it lacks desire in the heat, dogs not for me.
Serious hunters hunt, no excuses. Serious comp hunters dogs have more desire than an average night champion. Wanting a high motor.....hound. Don't confuse run of the mill with Cadillacs.

Lol. I used to think like you, thankfully age and experience taught me differently. Summer hunting is NOT for every hunter or every dog. I have seen some of the very best dogs look like crap in the heat, but performed extremely well in the Fall and Winter months. Practice does not make perfect, perfect practice makes perfect. Putting young dogs in the worst conditions is setting them up for failure as they develope bad habits that are hard to break. I have over 60 years experience coon hunting and have seen about every thing one can see. The best move I have ever made was NOT to summer hunt. I hunted year around for many years before I found out that summer hunting was MORE for me than it was for my dogs. Summer hunting is extremely hard on dogs from the heat to all of the parasites, snakes, and diseases associated with summer hunting. Laying a young started dog up in summer DOES NOT hurt as much as some would suggest. I KNOW been there done that, it's the handlers duty to put a young dog in situation they can succeed NOT fail. Dave

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Posted by Triple K Kennel on 07-30-2023 11:48 PM:

Re: Re: Enough excuses on summer hunting

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dave Richards
[B]Lol. I used to think like you, thankfully age and experience taught me differently. Summer hunting is NOT for every hunter or every dog. I have seen some of the very best dogs look like crap in the heat, but performed extremely well in the Fall and Winter months. Practice does not make perfect, perfect practice makes perfect. Putting young dogs in the worst conditions is setting them up for failure as they develope bad habits that are hard to break. I have over 60 years experience coon hunting and have seen about every thing one can see. The best move I have ever made was NOT to summer hunt. I hunted year around for many years before I found out that summer hunting was MORE for me than it was for my dogs. Summer hunting is extremely hard on dogs from the heat to all of the parasites, snakes, and diseases associated with summer hunting. Laying a young started dog up in summer DOES NOT hurt as much as some would suggest. I KNOW been there done that, it's the handlers duty to put a young dog in situation they can succeed NOT fail.

Dave
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Posted by OLD TIMER on 07-31-2023 12:19 AM:

LOL—

My hounds and my chainsaw are a heck of a lot alike

They both don’t like the heat and neither do I BUT you put them in that fall and winter temps and they and myself will hang with the best of them

Then again if we didn’t have those hard and smart hunters we wouldn’t get questions like: What should I feed so my dogs don’t over heat? What do you do for all those ticks? And I always like the ones that hit a ground wasp nest😉

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Posted by Dave Richards on 08-01-2023 08:40 AM:

Re: LOL—

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My hounds and my chainsaw are a heck of a lot alike

They both don’t like the heat and neither do I BUT you put them in that fall and winter temps and they and myself will hang with the best of them

Then again if we didn’t have those hard and smart hunters we wouldn’t get questions like: What should I feed so my dogs don’t over heat? What do you do for all those ticks? And I always like the ones that hit a ground wasp nest😉

X2, I agree 100 percent. In my younger days I thought it was necessary to hunt year around, thankfully I wised up as I aged. My dogs are laid up from early Spring until Fall and don't skip a beat, maybe out of shape like me, but quickly get into shape hunting 5/6 nights a week. I never have a dog get any tick related disease, snake bit, overheated or heat stroke, same goes for me. To each his own to hunt in summer or not hunt in summer, but for me the bad far out weighs the good in summer hunting. Dave

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Posted by Travis O. on 08-01-2023 02:01 PM:

No one actually enjoys swatting mosquitoes in a standing cornfield while sweat runs down your backside but I try going once a week. No one ever accused coonhunters of being intelligent. Lol. I just can't watch my dogs sit in a kennel 24/7 so they get to go a couple of drops each week to justify having them.

Posted by yadkinriver on 08-01-2023 04:22 PM:

I have had one snakebit. Was nearly to her treed when she stopped treeing and was laying at the base of the tree when I found her. Woke my vet up after midnight. He went to his truck and got two vaccines and gave her. We sat in rocking chairs on his front porch and she was sitting up in about 30 min. This same bitch was a chop mouth treedog in winter and a bawl mouth in Summer. Had a daughter out of her that was a slobbermouth treedog that at least twice in hot weather she fell out at the tree and I had to carry her to the creek and bathe her down. Hot weather will sometimes cause a dog to start chewing so if it's real warm i'd sit it out.

Posted by KYBlue Cooner on 08-02-2023 04:59 PM:

Re: Was Turning It On Then Turned The Lights Off

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Originally posted by Purple12
I have a 19 month male dog, last winter he got started going good was always good for a tree a night and very accurate, not the best track dog, one bark stay put tree dog. Did not recast well, not a big hunting dog but would try enough to get one up off the ground and gong. Alrite fast forward to spring, the dogs acting the same except one thing no coons up those tree, now it’s July he’ll barley get outta sight has very little desire to go when cut loose mite have treed and saw 5 coons since May hunting regularly, never had one go backwards on me this much just seeing what y’all thought. Never was all that but was suiting my style of pleasure hunting but not now something will have to change or he’s gone

Have the dog checked out at the vet & tell them you want a tick panel done. Could be something like Lyme Disease or Ehrlichia.

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Posted by shadinc on 08-06-2023 06:57 PM:

Last night the local temperature at 10 PM was 92 degrees with a feel-like temp of 102. Not the best night for man or dog.

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Posted by Dave Richards on 08-10-2023 03:30 AM:

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Originally posted by shadinc
Last night the local temperature at 10 PM was 92 degrees with a feel-like temp of 102. Not the best night for man or dog.

Lol. You got that right. How anyone can say they like to hunt in that kind of heat is just beyond my understanding. I can guarantee you that no dog will operate at their best in those conditions, definitely no man will. My dog/s are way better off sitting in their kennels than me punishing them in this heat. For those that sit in a air conditioned truck and cast dogs in the heat, SHAME on you. Dave

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Posted by Team Mafia 2 on 08-12-2023 04:31 AM:

I’m a little different I truly believe that the summer months are make or break for a dog especially a young dog when the kittens get down. I know ol pops is still firing stogie and a young dog 6 nights a week and not complaining about it. He said guys who don’t hunt during the summer are weak hearted.

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Posted by Preacher Tom on 08-12-2023 04:05 PM:

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Originally posted by Team Mafia 2
I’m a little different I truly believe that the summer months are make or break for a dog especially a young dog when the kittens get down. I know ol pops is still firing stogie and a young dog 6 nights a week and not complaining about it. He said guys who don’t hunt during the summer are weak hearted.

Dalton, I also hunt all summer but the hunts are shorter. The one thing I never have a lot of luck with is treeing kittens. Sure I tree some but not really enough to make a difference. I hunt in the summer because I enjoy hunting so much.

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Posted by donaldpeyton on 08-12-2023 08:54 PM:

I use to hunt every night no matter the season! Id say the dog in ? either has blown up a little or he might have a infection of some sort! Tick fever can really make them run hot! A dog loves what they do regardless of temperature but yea they are different from winter vs summer but they still suppose to give all the got! I always kept the clear electrolyte in their water bowl! If he has went backwards he will come back around and probably better but think if you done anything before all this because most dogs we screw up by over doing the training! It doesn’t take much

Posted by Dave Richards on 08-17-2023 05:25 PM:

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Originally posted by Team Mafia 2
I’m a little different I truly believe that the summer months are make or break for a dog especially a young dog when the kittens get down. I know ol pops is still firing stogie and a young dog 6 nights a week and not complaining about it. He said guys who don’t hunt during the summer are weak hearted.

Lol. I hunted year around for many years, 5/6 nights a week. I enjoyed hunting so much that I just had to go when it got dark. I stopped summer hunting when I got older, but it had nothing to do with heart, I realized that summer hunting was not as important to the dogs as it was for me. Albeit, I was usually hunting trained dogs that did not need summer hunting and the bad outweighed the good. Snakes, ticks, poison vine, and other issues were not good for me or my dogs to summer hunt. I respect everyone's opinion regarding summer hunting, most who summer hunt are competition hunters that need to have their dogs condioned to the summer heat and the hunts. Others just do not benefit from the conditions that summer hunting provides. Dave

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Posted by shadinc on 08-17-2023 08:58 PM:

This is sorta like talking about snow skiing. I don't do much skiing here in Louisiana. Last week we had a night that was 92 degrees at 9:00 PM. With a "feel-like" temp of 102. Yesterday was 96. It felt like a spring day. A front came through and the humidity was low. I've summer hunted for 60 years and never had a dog bothered by it until this year. Today the humidity is back with no relief in sight. And we haven't had measurable rain in about 4 weeks. The swamps are dry. I have two 18 month-olds that I would like to get out. Maybe in a week or two.

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Posted by Dave Richards on 08-17-2023 10:37 PM:

Summer hunting

Donald, I feel for you having such hot and dry weather to hunt in. In my older age, I just can not take the heat and humidity like I could in my younger days. These steep mountains I hunt in will wear you out in a short time when the temperatures are hot and the humidity is high. I honestly doubt many folks could handle these mountains in the Fall and Winter months, much less in the summer. Hunting flat ground is bad enough in the summer. I hope you get to hunt soon. Dave

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Posted by DL NH on 08-18-2023 02:49 AM:

Have that dog checked for Lymes Disease if you haven’t already done so!!

My best friend had a decent male that he got out of Ohio. The dog was right as rain when he got him. Very accurate and very good track dog. A year or so after he got him he started slick treeing and had trouble straightening out a track. He tested positive for Lymes Disease.

Put hm on Doxy and he would come back close to the dog he was when he first got him. I personally don’t believe a dog ever gets fully cured once it has contracted Lymes disease. While on the Doxy they do better but it appears that when they come off, the effects of the Lymes disease returns. I’m no Vet but I know others who have experienced the same.

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Posted by Purple12 on 08-18-2023 03:40 AM:

Thanks for all the input I know this dog does not like hunting in this heat, I hunt around creeks every time through the summer and he will go jump in and lay in it rolling like a hog, so I guess he’s not as tough as some but I’m like some of you guys I don’t mind hunting year around, I slacked off some in the hottest part but are seeing some better nights now

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Posted by Dave Richards on 08-18-2023 02:41 PM:

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Originally posted by Purple12
Thanks for all the input I know this dog does not like hunting in this heat, I hunt around creeks every time through the summer and he will go jump in and lay in it rolling like a hog, so I guess he’s not as tough as some but I’m like some of you guys I don’t mind hunting year around, I slacked off some in the hottest part but are seeing some better nights now

Dogs are all different to say the least. I hunted year around for over 40 years and I can say that some dogs done great in the summer, while some dogs just would not operate in the heat. Don't fall out with your dog, as he is just one that will not operate as well in the heat. I have seen some of the very best dogs that looked like a million dollars in Fall and Winter as well as Spring months that looked like culls in the heat of Summer. A handle has to recognize the differences in dogs and act accordingly. Most folks would love your dog the way he operates in the Fall and Winter. Dave

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