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I have an English male that just turned 15 months old. Hunts like crazy, opposite direction from the other dog, but will not say a word. He shows zero interest in a cage coon, will follow the track when I turn it loose but not say a word. Mingles around the tree it went up but nothing. He is driving me crazy. Should I just keep pushing him or when would you make the call to get rid of him?

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It's absolutely an individual call you have to make based on your personal situation. If you are busy, can afford a different dog, or you're just getting interested in hunting, you may want to give up sooner than later. If you are becoming frustrated to the point that you are not "helpful" to the dog then you should stop pushing him. I have seen dogs nearly 3 years old come out of this and be fine coonhounds, I have heard of others older than that (from reliable sources). But I wouldn't ever say all of them will. Best of luck!

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Have you showed him any other game?
He obviously has some tracking ability if he will follow to the tree and hang around the tree some.
How long have you had the dog?
Does he bark in the pen for any reason or bark at anything else period?

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Had him since he was 9 weeks. He is very mouthy around the house wether it's feed time or not.

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Totally up to you, but here is the deal, you got a minimal amount of time in your life. You can spend it with a dog that makes you excited to go hunting or keep one around that you have to ask people if you should give up on. For me its a no brainer. I can't take a kennel barker let alone a kennel barker that can't tree a coon at 15 months old.

When I start a pup I keep written track of what is actually going on. I usually set a limit for myself....very few dogs make it to the limit because I have had enough before that time comes. I am really not that much into standing around in the dark listening to dogs bark up trees anymore. A dog better make it at least tolerable pretty quick for me to keep buying $40 a bag food and spending $4 gas hauling it around.

My guess is when you find a dog that really does a nice job for you, you will look back on this and wonder why you wasted so much time on this one. Good luck though.

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Had him since he was 9 weeks. He is very mouthy around the house wether it's feed time or not.

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Totally up to you, but here is the deal, you got a minimal amount of time in your life. You can spend it with a dog that makes you excited to go hunting or keep one around that you have to ask people if you should give up on. For me its a no brainer. I can't take a kennel barker let alone a kennel barker that can't tree a coon at 15 months old.

When I start a pup I keep written track of what is actually going on. I usually set a limit for myself....very few dogs make it to the limit because I have had enough before that time comes. I am really not that much into standing around in the dark listening to dogs bark up trees anymore. A dog better make it at least tolerable pretty quick for me to keep buying $40 a bag food and spending $4 gas hauling it around.

My guess is when you find a dog that really does a nice job for you, you will look back on this and wonder why you wasted so much time on this one. Good luck though.

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I'm not expert, but I've raised a few. I think I give any dog I've had a very fair chance. When a dog has any ability at all it can and should tree an easy coon easily. We have all had those ones we make excuses for for a while...but we're just fooling ourselves. The longer it takes a young dog to even be tolerable to hunt the lower the chances it will ever be what your looking for. After some experience you start to see things in dogs that make you get a good or bad feeling.

Give them all a fair chance, but don't blame yourself or be afraid to move on once you have done so. Its your money and your time..but I don't have enough of either to waste it on a hound that won't work with me.

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Unless you have tried it already, I would turn a coon loose in deep grass or low brush and let the dog loose just before it gets out of sight. The point is to have the dog catch up to the coon before it can tree. If that doesn't flip the switch then other responses have great advice.

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Ron, I have read a lot of posts on this Forum and this is the best advice one could possibly give in this situation. I learned this early in my coon hunting life. NEVER waste time on a dud or dog that does not make you enjoy hunting with it.Cut your loss and look for one that will at least make you enjoy coon hunting. I see a bunch of at least decent dogs these days, unlike the early years, so there is zero need to hang on to any dog that age that will not tree. Dave

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Had him since he was 9 weeks. He is very mouthy around the house wether it's feed time or not.

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I totally agree with you and Ron.

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Originally posted by Redneck Mafia
Is he wearing a no bark collar or has he been shocked while in the pen for barking? If so does your tracking collar have prongs for shocking capabilities? Sometimes if pups have been shocked around the house for barking and if they are wearing a collar while hunting that has prongs they associate that with "If I bark I will get shocked." Some don't know the difference in the two situations that it's okay to bark while hunting and not okay at home.

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