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Purple12
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Naturals

In my dogs I’ve had two I would consider natural young dogs that just needed a ride to the woods, not flawless unbeatable freaks but made solid, fine hounds. But most of them have been finally leave your feet at a year may tree go 10 hunts without doing anything then tree again yall know, just grind and grind, how many naturals pups do you run across, are they 1 in 10 or 1 in 100?

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Iv had 1 probably raised 30+ the rest all had to be trained or wasn’t worth a flip

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I don't know how many pups are born each year but it's probably more like 1 in a 10,000.....lol

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Truth....!!!

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I don't know how many pups are born each year but it's probably more like 1 in a 10,000.....lol



This actually might be the truth....!!!

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quote:
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I don't know how many pups are born each year but it's probably more like 1 in a 10,000.....lol




I didnt say 10,000 but I was thinking it lol your probably right

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I have a 5 year female that treed a coon alone her first night in the woods. She was 6 months and 29 days old. She trailed it 600 yards. I never laid a drag track for her. Two nights later she ran one 800 yards and treed it, A few nights later she ran one a mile, crossed 2 sloughs over my hip boots and treed him in a cypress tree in about a foot of water. I hunted her by herself the rest of the season and she treed coon coons consistently. Her sister (3 years older) was the same. They are the only two I ever saw that I would call totally natural. And both the most accurate i ever saw.

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And that's the way it works best!!

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I was looking forward to reading about coon hound prodigies. Some said they were 1 in 10,000, but it seems there were only 2 in the history of coon hounds and I had both of them.

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The one I had started treeing cats and possums at just a baby a few months old, then took him with some finished dogs one night they treed two singles, he ran and treed with em and next time I took him by himself he treed a coon and was like he made a coondog that night he was straight on coons till he died, and there was no training whatsoever with this one I was as green as he was.

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The one I had started treeing cats and possums at just a baby a few months old, then took him with some finished dogs one night they treed two singles, he ran and treed with em and next time I took him by himself he treed a coon and was like he made a coondog that night he was straight on coons till he died, and there was no training whatsoever with this one I was as green as he was.


These types are the ones that need to be bred over and over again and again but only if their pedigree has more of the same scattered throughout a pedigree that also has above average hunting dogs…breeding this way would probably produce 3,000 above average dogs in 10,000 and possibly higher instead of 1 in 10,000…what was said of 1 in 10,000 is a figure of speech indicating the lack of top quality hunting pups and dogs produced today…

I reckon the questions we need to ask ourselves is why?
Once we have a clear vision on what it takes to improve our breeding programs…maybe then we can produce better dogs…

I think many times folks will hunt a dog 300 nights a year to make it a winning hound…and then that dog will be bred many times…and the buyers of the pups want to hunt 40 times a year and can not figure out why his pup isn’t working out…or the handler of the stud dog is a great trainer of hounds and can make an average dog a winner and the majority of the pup buyers are average trainers…and they are wondering why their dog isn't what it should be…

Some breeders are constantly changing their breeding program chasing the latest winners and the pedigree becomes an open pedigree and the pups produced will be scatterbred…we should breed to natural hunting dogs…

For your pup and you being green your pup turned out to be a great hound so you did a good job in making your hound into what you said was a great hound…anither owner could of just as easily ruined the pup…

We can go on and on as to why dogs make it or not just as we can go on with breeding programs…breed to natural hounds as often as possible…

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Well said!

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