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What's everyone's method for breaking dogs that are slick treeing.just curious to see how everyone does it.

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Since you asked how EVERYONE does it. I get another dog. People on here talk constantly about brains. A dog barking at a tree with nothing but leaves in it doesn't have much brains.

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Since you asked how EVERYONE does it. I get another dog. People on here talk constantly about brains. A dog barking at a tree with nothing but leaves in it doesn't have much brains.

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Originally posted by Drafts
I agree!!
I would venture to say there are some dogs that are made into slick tree’rs. Too much caged game, too much praise at the tree, too much “Teasing” when they are pups leads to grown dogs that think barking “up” a tree is what theyre supposed to do.
On the flip side, the “tree” instinct has been bred in the majority of todays dogs TOO MUCH!
But to answer your question, I agree with Mr. Donald, I won’t put up with a slick tree’r. I will get another dog.

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Okay as said no dog is perfect.how much are you willing to put up percentage wise with slick trees.60%,70%,90%,95%.what's your line that you won't tolerate a dog.

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Under 90%

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I'll answer the question that was asked.

1) I determine if the dog is actually slick (empty) or are they treeing flying squirrels or some other off game. Some people don't know the difference IMHO. If off game--easy, break them off trash.

2) If they are pulling up short and are young and just lack experience, then I send them on from the empty tree, encourage them to 'hunt for it'; 'find it'. You can usually see improvement pretty quick in a young dog and they'll learn to check the tree for a track going away.

4) If they are pulling up short do to being lazy and won't or can't go on from the empty tree cause they can't smell. I make them leave.........yes, whatever it takes. They'll all leave or bite you at some point. It takes a strong tree dog that really wants to tree a coon for this to work, but it can be done and they'll get way more accurate. It also takes some patience. They are going to leave some trees just before you get there cause they know its not going to be fun if you don't see a coon. If they truly cannot smell, then they'll become an ambush type dog and be miles away with one bushed.

Of course, its a lot easier with a naturally accurate, smart, trash free, solid tree dog, with a great nose.

I remember when people asked 'how do you get one to stay treed under pressure?"

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GES, you made a good point with the squirrel comment, dogs do mess with squirrels or some do. However, they usually do not run a track very far if it's a squirrel. The handler has to be smart enough to know or at least have a educated opinion on what the dog is doing. A over zealous dog or handler can be a very bad combo. When it's definitely a slick tree, I would definitely push the dog on and see if they can tree correctly. What I will not tolerate is a dog that consistently trees slick or does not improve with training or correction. I only try training or correction on young dogs, older dogs are set in their ways and not worth the effort in my opinion. Wasting time with junk dogs is not something I ever wanted or would tolerate. Treeing a bunch of den trees is unacceptable to me. I have hunted 5/6 night a week all winter and only treed a dozen or so den trees with a accurate dog and saw the coon in 5/6 of those dens. Enough that I trust the other dens had coons. I have seen many dogs tree dens on a consistant basis and never see a coon in them, this told me that they were slick treeing. NEVER accept the notion that den trees all have a coon no more than you would accept a legit slick. Dave

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As a kid I couldn't afford a good hound so I always had to buy culls. Since I walked from home everywhere I hunted I preferred the slick treeing or possum treeing cull over the deer or fox runner. Most of these dogs were over 4 years old and needed lots of patience. The common thing I found for those few that I had success with was showing them a noticable positive different reaction at the tree that had a coon. I still use it when training dogs for others with no negative effects, just not a fool proof, 100% guaranteed system.

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As a kid I couldn't afford a good hound so I always had to buy culls. Since I walked from home everywhere I hunted I preferred the slick treeing or possum treeing cull over the deer or fox runner. Most of these dogs were over 4 years old and needed lots of patience. The common thing I found for those few that I had success with was showing them a noticable positive different reaction at the tree that had a coon. I still use it when training dogs for others with no negative effects, just not a fool proof, 100% guaranteed system.

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