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for Big Game Single Registration.Since the Breed Asso seem to be reciptive to the idea I believe now would be a good time to have some ideas on how the "hunt" portion should be handled.Lets keep it civil and be open minded.

THIS POST IS FOR IDEAS, NOT ON WHETHER YOU AGREE OR DISAGREE WITH SINGLE REGISTRATION!IF YOU DONT WANT YOUR CHOOSEN BREED TO DO THIS,THEN CONTACT THEM.

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I think that is where it is going to get tricky.. There can't be a "standard" test for all of them. For instance... My dogs run more then one type of big game animal. If I want them tested on bobcats, then the only way I can garuntee that the track they start is the animal desired is to drop them in the snow. Heck I can rig them and still get a suprise

It is also going to matter where to you to how you hunt.

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" There can't be a "standard" test for all of them."

I agree. So we need ,


Lion-
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We need to keep in mind the difference between
1.Single Registration.
2. Hunt certiifaction.
We are only looking for single registration Hunt Test here if am I correct.
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Standard

Dog must run track and tree and hold tree until hunters arrive by themselves on bear, cougar or bobcat.

I think that is pretty simple and should work. The only problem is it might take more than one hunt to qualify.
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We need to keep in mind the difference between
1.Single Registration.
2. Hunt certiifaction.
We are only looking for single registration Hunt Test here if am I correct.
Jess

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Standard

Dog must run track and tree and hold tree until hunters arrive by themselves on bear, cougar or bobcat.

I think that is pretty simple and should work. The only problem is it might take more than one hunt to qualify.
Kyle

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Correct,but Jess you know as well as I do a dog that can regularly tree any given bear alone, are far and few between.
Some of the best bear dogs Ive seen/hunted with have only treed a few bear totally alone.

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grey fox tree as well and there are people than run and tree them should they be added to the list?

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------choose inspectors wisely---

it could be as simple as

they swear that this dog is above average ability and meets breed standards- they belive hes a credit to the breed and should be single registered --


id like to see them strike ,cold trail, run alone -i dont care if they tree alone--id also like to see them prove that they can hunt in a pack --


in some places -- its very rare to tree a bear with one dog---

in some places its very rare to tree a bobcat period- the inspectors should know what is normal in their area-

if you tell me the dog took an old track alone -- jumped the bear, bobcat or lion,, - run it for hours - they were running to catch and not just puttering along behind -

close enuuf --lol

jess-- i think dogs that will strike,cold trail, run and put pressure on a bear alone--are scarcer than dogs that can make every tree-

there is no need to single register ol me 2 pack dog-- got plenty like that already- lol


2 good dogs might make any dog look good --


somehow we need to let the better dogs in-- im not sure that any set of rules can do that on any one day --



we r single registering dogs now that can tree a coon and stay 5 minutes-- -- ive seen a 3 month old pup do that -


i think another method might be a team of judges--

let them investigate this dog and owner , and vote on it-


is the dog a real credit to the breed- --yes or no--

that might work as well as any rules I can think of -

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jared from what i hear about grey fox-- they sure should -- they arent big game but they are tougher to tree than a coon-- so why not --

i treed one in my life- with some trashy coondogs-- but it was 30 years ago and i still remember that race -lol

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The point about the single registration inspection being way different than an a title type program is right on. The single registration inspection is not a means of only letting the very best dogs be registered. It's a means of keeping the culls out. We just need to verify that the dog will go hunting, run and tree. We'll work on a program next that recognizes the outstanding dogs in the sport.

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Pete and Jess,good ideas from you both

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I like the idea of something along the lines of the new hunt test and my feelings are,let them hunt in their regular pack.If the inspector has been hunting for five years as the hunt test inspectors are suppose to, they know if a dog is making a contribution to the pack or not.Again bobcat and lion the same thing.This doesn't have to be rocket science guys.Todd and Sam I believe your on the right track just use the same criteria as the hunt test but allow them to be hunted with a pack.Like I said a good inspector knows if a dog is being carried or if hes doing his part.All these animals are usually hunted with packs of dogs and not with single dogs.You guys that are saying I regulary catch bear with one dog,what the h!@# fun is that.Maybe you need to do some culling on the rest of your pack then.I for one don't want that one dog that leaves the rest of the pack behind cause its only a matter of time till he gets ambushed by himself I've seen it alot on lion and seen alot of bear get a dog in the right spot where if he'd of had some help ya wouldn't be walkin in to something that looks like something out of a horror movie.Cause believe me alot of times when a bear kills a lone dog its ugly.

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Jess and Pete .. You two have it on the nail head !! A single hound to Strike and run their own track is a very good start and run its own track and have the heart and drive to maintain the track.. Then that Hound can be backed up after an hour to try to put that critter in the tree.. This would single out some of the best and can be easly done. Heck to have a hound that can Strick and drive for an hour alone will knock all of the hounds down to 25%..

Lets face the real facts; The Breed Assoc. all 6 know that their breeds can not continue with the Inbreed Coe. as high as it is now.
None of the Assco have determined what the Max I.C. will be before their entire Stock is "Inbreed".. The Assoc's are looking for "Total Out Crosses" of the very best in Hunting Ability and within their "Breed Standards" to reduce the I.C. #s.
All 6 breeds may be in the high 50s to 70s in their Inbreed Coe.s and new comers to breeding want to Consentrate their lines even Higher.. Their is a point when it all come tumbling down..

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Good post Travis and I AGREE

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If a pack is used the dog being tested should be required to strike the track straighten it out before any more dogs are dumped. I'd say at the most three dogs should be in the pack so you can tell what the dog being tested is doing. Bear hunting like any other hunting, you can never tell what's would happened.

I'd love for UKC to pay me to travel around and hunt test bear dogs!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That would be a heck of a job.

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The point about the single registration inspection being way different than an a title type program is right on. The single registration inspection is not a means of only letting the very best dogs be registered. It's a means of keeping the culls out. We just need to verify that the dog will go hunting, run and tree. We'll work on a program next that recognizes the outstanding dogs in the sport.

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For the record I believe the key to this will be the INSPECTOR.

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I think that any dog that would cold trail one ( any of the three ) up and jump it alone would be a welcome addition to any pack.
Whether you can get more dogs into it or not , I'd say he's done better than most.

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I could buy into the 3 dog limit but I still don't think the dog should have to strike the track.My best bear dog will not strike a track but you let someone else make one bark and its her game from then on.Like I said,I believe with the right inspectors they will know whether a particular dog made a significant contribution to a race,if they don't they fail,that simple.Heres how I see it.Whatever game you want to be inspected that is your choice.Take the inspector hunting for your chosen game.OK say for the sake of arguement 3 dog limit(if you want to hunt a single dog that is your perogative.)End of the hunt inspector has a list of criteria(open on track,STAY on track and bay or tree[and have the meat LOL]not be two days behind the rest of the pack.If he makes a SIGNIFICANT Contribution he passes if he don't he don't.So if you are getting one inspected you better leave old Flash that runs 10-15 ahead of the rest of the pack home cause he's gonna make it pretty hard for Jeb to make a SIGNIFICANT Contribution to the inspector.It's no different than getting inspected now.You may get lucky and pop a coon right up and pass you may have a cr#%%y night and can't tree a coon.With this you may go out and can't buya bear track,lion track or bobcat.You may get one of those lucky pop ups.I think the idea of only letting the superstars in needs to be let go and concentrate on the ones that are worthy of being called whatever breed they are trying to be registered as.I guess what I'm trying to say is if you make the test unpassable except for old Superstar than why bother,there are ALOT of good solid dogs that deserve to be registered that may never pass if the bar is set ridiculusly high.

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I agree, Good Solid Dogs should pass every breed can use solid dogs.
I do think the dog should have to run at least a hour by it's self. This shows Tracking ability, and the Desire to catch game. Two things that a dog Must have to be a solid dog.
I also think the dog must make the tree, No breed needs more quiters.
Striking ?, Not all good dogs are rig dogs. I think all good dogs should be able to Start the track.
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Sounds like we're headed down the same track Jess.I just got my point proven today about the "time factor" about running alone my good friends old dog got her guts laid out in the Wisconsin swamps cause she was alone the rest of the dogs got to her about five minutes too late.I realize thats part of bear hunting(had plenty of it myself).Just don't believe that a GOOD inspector can't tell if a dog is running a track or just packing along.Like I said if you were to know ahead of time that the dog was going to be inspected for his ability to contribute on the track as well as the tree and if he or she is sucking the proverbial hind t%t he won't pass,you probably aren't going to bring something that is really going to blow his doors off.Also how about an inspection fee set high enough that a person isn't going to go through the effort unless the dog is likely to pass.Keep every Wannabe from calling every weekend to have old Potlicker from getting inspected till he gets lucky enough to pass,when he really has no business passing.Or along that same lines if he is inspected say 3 times and doesn't pass its Sorry no more inspections for you.

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Kinda Scary ain't it. LOL
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wouldn't have it any other way LOL No guts no glory

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