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I would love it. It would be a great way on papers to be able to keep track for future generations. I don't plan on breeding my single registered dogs to outside dogs really, so it would mainly be used for personal preferences..

BTW I single registered 2 of my walkers.. That was the longest night ever trying to convince my two "cat" dogs to tree a coon.. They hate coonhunting LOL

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I think that would be a great idea like you said most of us dont run our biggame hounds on coon.

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i vote yes -- can i vote twice lol

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Absolutely. I just went through this. I bred my female to a UKC male, I know what behind her, we just don't have papers. She had a false, but I was planning on having to Single reg a pup off her cause I can't do her... In the bear woods bring it on... But I'd have to tie her to a coon. She still wouldn't run it. LOL.


But I know prolly a hundred dogs that could be Reg if it went by Bg Game, not just coon.

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Keep Posting !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You know the Powers in UKC are reading this.
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I would like to see it,however I'm not sure the breed associations will go for it.Hey if it we're to happen can I get job as an inspector.LOL?

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This would be a great idea.
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It all depends.....

If a dog can tree the game by itself , then by all means yes.

But , if you're trying to register one dog by turning it loose with a pack , then no. A pack can make most any sorry dog look good.

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I tend to agree
But that would be worked out in the single registration process. I would think that Big Game hunters would submit a idea about how the dog should be inspected. Not any dog can keep up with a good pack in a tough race. And by no means can any dog always tree a rough bear alone. Many Grntch hounds never have to tree a coon alone let alone a Mountain Lion.
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Great post and great Idea. After UKC learns what kind of dog it takes to tree big game, they will figure out the caliber of dogs, they are missing, LOL))))). Yes the criteria to register them, could be sorted out, I'm with pete, I vote yes twice.

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....... Many Grntch hounds never have to tree a coon alone let alone a Mountain Lion.
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I think the process should be the same. The dogs should strike, trail, and tree the game alone. Cat would be easy, one dog can hadle a cat. A Lion should be too if it's a hot track... Now bear, if it don't tree and it's bayed thats good enough, as long as the dog catches up with it. I don't think it would be that difficult. Now if ya get a runnin bear that smokes the dog (it happens to the best of us) then try again another day :P Should be based on the effort and quality of the race, not just that they poped one up a tree in less than 5 mins (those are nice too, but not the goal of the process)

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Yes a single registry for Big Game bred hounds is a good idea. It brings reality into a registry that is relevant to what we are doing out there. The evaluation should be the same as we should be doing in our own packs. Each of my dogs get hunted on big game on their own to show me the style and drive of a track dog. Also the style and pressure in a tree dog.
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I know there are alot of purebred hounds throughout the country, that for various reasons are not registered. Some of the hunters that own them probably aren't interested in ever getting them registered. But I think there are also alot of hunters that would like to have their hounds be registered if they could. If UKC would modify the requirements for single registration to outline the characteristics needed for a hound to perform on big game, I think many people would be interested in getting their hounds registered. Of course all hounds would still have to meet the specific breed standards for that breed.

I single registered my old Jammer dog 10 or 12 years ago, and was able to use him in my breeding program. His father was a registered dog, but mother was not. Jammer as well as several of his littermates were top big game hounds, and I'm proud to have him in my pedigrees. By getting him single registered before I bred him, I was able to raise a litter of registered pups out of him. Although it took a little extra effort to get all the paper work in order. I now have several PR bred, registered English hounds that go back to old Jammer. I feel that this is alot better way to go about getting a hound registered that wasn't born that way, than the people that just put a set of fake papers on a dog and call it good. When a dog is fake papered, the person that does it is doing a great disservice to any hunters or breeders following them who try to pick up where they left off.

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I agree.
But , do you want people to say the same thing about titled Big Game dogs? I don't.
If someone comes up with a way to evaluate a dog by itself , I'm all for it.
Heck , I'd like to see ALL coondogs have to prove themselves !

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hey guys like I said its up to the various breed associations more than UKC.An example is the plott association didn't even open single registration for so many years.

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You are correct. However when UKC brings a Idea to the Breed Associations they tend to Listen. When any small group brings the Idea the Associations tend to say we will bring it to the yearly UKC meeting.
I think it makes a difference when the one who brings the idea is also the one who gives your Association it's charter.
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I really like this idea and I don't see why we shouldn't be able to get it done. Obviously the inspection process will be more time consuming but if the western houndsmen are willing to take the time to inspect dogs, and we can come up with basic criteria, I can't see why the Chartered Breed Associations wouldn't go for it?

If there ends up being a shortage of inspectors, here's what we do. UKC sends me out there for a week during bear season and a week during lion season. Oh, and I'll need a week in the Northeast to hunt with Pete and that group. I probably should make a trip to the southwest also. Yes, that's only an extra month that I would have to be out of the office. Should work. lol

Seriously, I'll take this topic to the Breed Association's Presidents Meeting at Autumn Oaks and present it. If it passes, we'll start working on outlining the basic requirements necessary to pass inspection.

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I really like this idea and I don't see why we shouldn't be able to get it done. Obviously the inspection process will be more time consuming but if the western houndsmen are willing to take the time to inspect dogs, and we can come up with basic criteria, I can't see why the Chartered Breed Associations wouldn't go for it?

Seriously, I'll take this topic to the Breed Association's Presidents Meeting at Autumn Oaks and present it. If it passes, we'll start working on outlining the basic requirements necessary to pass inspection.

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todd i want to be the first to volunteer to help you i know there are a bunch thinking the same. seriously thank you this is something that alot of big game hunters should be thanking you for

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I think that UKC is reaching out to the Big Gamer's !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Todd you can count on me to help in any way that I can.
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i will help in Wi
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Originally posted by todd kellam
I really like this idea and I don't see why we shouldn't be able to get it done. Obviously the inspection process will be more time consuming but if the western houndsmen are willing to take the time to inspect dogs, and we can come up with basic criteria, I can't see why the Chartered Breed Associations wouldn't go for it?

If there ends up being a shortage of inspectors, here's what we do. UKC sends me out there for a week during bear season and a week during lion season. Oh, and I'll need a week in the Northeast to hunt with Pete and that group. I probably should make a trip to the southwest also. Yes, that's only an extra month that I would have to be out of the office. Should work. lol

Seriously, I'll take this topic to the Breed Association's Presidents Meeting at Autumn Oaks and present it. If it passes, we'll start working on outlining the basic requirements necessary to pass inspection.

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