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We talk about tick disease causing thyroid. I know like me you live where there are tons of deer I seen 50 in one field last night. You can’t put your finger on them that there ain’t a tick in that spot. They are thriving populations are exploding !! Those are the same ticks that are making ( some not all ) dogs sick. Do you think because of close inbreeding or man made problems they are getting it because of the dogs lowered immune systems are allowing it ?

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We talk about tick disease causing thyroid. I know like me you live where there are tons of deer I seen 50 in one field last night. You can’t put your finger on them that there ain’t a tick in that spot. They are thriving populations are exploding !! Those are the same ticks that are making ( some not all ) dogs sick. Do you think because of close inbreeding or man made problems they are getting it because of the dogs lowered immune systems are allowing it ?

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There is a big high fenced ranch next to our family’s ranch at Dixon Oklahoma it called the Goddard ranch. Some of the elk got out when we were getting them back in the ranch hand some had been turning up sick. These lease hunters are horn hunters on deer they need to thin these deer bad if they don’t Mother Nature will.


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There is a big high fenced ranch next to our family’s ranch at Dixon Oklahoma it called the Goddard ranch. Some of the elk got out when we were getting them back in the ranch hand some had been turning up sick. These lease hunters are horn hunters on deer they need to thin these deer bad if they don’t Mother Nature will.


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I know that when dogs are hunted in the same areas why would one get it and one not ?


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Tar you mixing apples and oranges.

Animals living and breeding and population growth. Does not mean they are healthy and it does not mean their stamina has not decreased.
Just like house dogs verses and performance dog. My yorkie can have a bad thyroid and still get on the couch. Only time a house dog is diagnosed is when the hair falls out and they get a rat tail. Then after a couple months at unknowledgeable vets looking for allergies they decide to test the thyroid and find it is low. As long at the dog has hair and can waddle around the house. Who gives any thought to the thyroid.

In a hound that has a tick issue the owner pretty quickly notices the dogs coat is not shiny and soft. It has changed to course stiff hair. You been counting heads in the deer heard. Have you felt their coat lately?

Just like breeding practices that produce FAT beef Cattle. Those breeding practices are producing Coon Hounds that are Crazy, Sick and Worthless. Can't mix apples and oranges and get any results. Some things are intangible and some are tangible. The performance of a dog is intangible because everyone has a different standard. Example. A good mouth on a hound is different to every owner. You can only breed for the mouth you like and you call good.

So until you get blood work done on your deer herd. Don't go by the numbers in the field. With your eye you can only go by how fast they run away and how high they can jump. You ever see a heard and think they ain't even scared. Maybe they don't have the energy to run. LOL

Tar you have several things in your life going on right now. I really want to be kind and Prayers go out to your Family. Lets don't dwell on our differences but share what we have in common. That would be the joy of a coon in a tree. Prayers that you are strong for your Family.

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I am not upset i told you I love you man I am just trying to understand it’s just a debate we have no differences you and me ! I want to know why if my dogs are hunted in the same woods , fed the same feed , shocked , tied out , etc why other dogs get it and I am on my 5th generation and my dogs don’t have it ? It’s been 12 yrs since I had a dog with tick disease and he got over it without reacourence!


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I am not upset i told you I love you man I am just trying to understand it’s just a debate we have no differences you and me ! I want to know why if my dogs are hunted in the same woods , fed the same feed , shocked , tied out , etc why other dogs get it and I am on my 5th generation and my dogs don’t have it ? It’s been 12 yrs since I had a dog with tick disease and he got over it without reacourence!


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I have had two dogs with known tick issues. My Boss dog back in the 90's. He came down with "E" and I could tell something was wrong. Testing proved it and common antibiotics cured it. He just was never quite the same. It did not turn into a Thyroid issue to my knowledge. But he did die of Cancer. Had another dog my Lil Shine Female that had a rare Tick issue which I knew of when I shelled out over 7 grand for her. She was a top hound but you could tell she had a problem on late rounds but even so she won many thousands of dollars. Tight Wipeout bred hound and never had a thyroid condition or pill for that in her life. She turned 9 and I gave her to an older man to pleasure hunt just a few months ago. He likes her so much he forced me to take $500 for her. She is happy living the good life and I am happy for her.

I got another one coming soon. Just can't wait to see what kind of issues several thousands of dollars brought me this time. He has some Tar breeding in him. That way you can't talk to bad about him. LOl

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But Tar you have said over and over that you take care of them the old fashion way. You are not taking them to the vet. So you have probably had several that did have the problem and never knew. The thing about tick problems is it has slowly moved across the states in the last 20 to 30 years. We didn't used to have this problem because it wasn't here.

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Oh my goodness, are you saying that if you keep ticks off of your dogs then you won't have thyroid dogs?

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I can tell you the only reason I don’t have them !! Dog starts acting stupid and I can’t fix it they get sent to doggie heaven. I ain’t walking on these bad legs after a stupid dog.



To each his own.

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Now It sounds like you're saying that a 22 bullet cures thyroid problems.

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Richard thats exactly what he's saying. Are yours still bothering you?

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Will a 22 cure my thyroid disease? I better ask my Doctor.

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Richard you should ask Rip since he's a Tennessee boy. If it will cure you maybe he'll treat you and if it won't maybe he'll still treat you. At least you won't have far to go and he does seem to know what he's doing. I just don't know how good of a shot he is.

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I am going on a different side on this subject, focusing on the breeding side Some claim linebreeding or inbreeding is a cause of these problems , i study these walker bloodlines and very rarely see dogs that i consider true linebred hounds ?
What I see is breeding a Winner to a Winner without looking at traits and just producing a Treeing Walker, before long the breeding becomes stale and mediocre no different than all pure bred dogs that have these problems.
I believe different walker lines are what made the dogs of the sixties to the eighties great, good men breeding there lines and merging with another good line.
For most its just a Walker anymore, box of chocolates with no clear direction, oh wait they do......... Tree! lol

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Conrad you see things same as I do, through the eyes of an old timer. Thye majority of walker dogs today would be considered a hybrid dog to old timers. It's funny how old time Pit bull fanciers and game chicken men had a whole different perspective on breeding and conditioning. They had their strains and an outcross on another strain was a hybrid even though it was still a game chicken or a pit bull. Imo it's the same with the walker dogs. Thank goodness we still have a handfull of breeders that still follow a strain of hounds.

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