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What does anyone know about this. How was this determined.
I here the papers of the pups with her in them will be blanked out on Spankys side and the pups that have been born will not be Purple Ribbon Bred. How can this be if Spanky was not DNA or the Mother to Cricket. Who can shed some light on this.

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Two buddies of mine have young dogs out of Runnin' Bullet and Smoky River sable. Sable was supposedly out of Spanky. They were recently notified by UKC that Spanky is not her sire. Their dogs are no longer PR bred. One of them gave a large price for his dog, which already had a first place win.

Makes you wonder, doesn't it?

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John, I was just commenting on how odd it was for two females to turn out not to be out of Spanky...I was curious as to why they tested them at this stage of the game?

What called their parentage into question?

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I TOO NO OF AT LEAST 1 NT CH FEMALE THAAT IS NOT OUT HIM THAAT WWAAS SUPPOSED TO BE...........HMMMMMM IT DOES MAKE YA WONDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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yes it does make u wonder. read my post on here. it sounds like this is getting out of hand. do u here us ukc. stop worrying about the money and do something about this. make it mandatory for dna test for all dogs or whatever else u have to do.or do us hunters need to take matters into are own hands with the guys doing this

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will this have any effect on BO pups?

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after you prove it,,,PUT THERE NAMES ON HERE!!!!!!!TCB

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Chris tells me they will blank out the Sires side of Cricket and the pups will not be purple ribbon bred. I don't know much about this yet I know Chris is up set about it all. I wonder how they could test Cricket or was there a littermate being DNA I don't know I guess time will tell.

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they know the true sire by the dna test,,why can't they put the right sire on the papers......wasn't that why they was pushing the DNA testing or was that just another MONEY THING FOR UKC?????????????

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Just remember , when the phone is ringing off the hook and people are pestering a breeder for pups ....this is what happens. It seems to happen alot with colored dogs ....guess their owners know it's a once in a lifetime oppurtunity and want to cash in.

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Without a doubt, Spanky as a great hound. But with all this nes about dogs supposedly out of him that are turning out not to be, I would think UKC would have to investigate. We're talking about three different dogs so far, out of different "crosses."

Something might just be rotten in Denmark.

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John Carrol, My comment was not intended to offend anyone or surely is not intended to side with anyone on this matter. If in fact there is a problem, and it sure semms there is then all involved have rights to some answers, and what can be done about it..........

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Spare Time Spanky came from a very respected breeder didn't he? I know he was at a couple different places, but where are we talking about these chances of faking the breedings? I got one out of grandpa Spanky.........TCB

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He came from a man that no doubt had some fine hounds in the past. As far as being a breeder so to speak I really don't think he was all that well known not saying he wasn't honest or didn't breed up some good stock, but not known as well as some of the other lines. Spanky no doubt was a close up Hammer breed hound, but he also carried blood from some of the older bloodlines also. I always have heard he was a # 1 coon treeing machine, but you know things happen that people can't control about these dogs registration, and UKC should make it a rule that anyone that markets puppies for sale ( A Breeder ) should have to have all dogs involved in thier breeding program to be DNA profiled, and anything added should have to be profiled before he or she be used in thier breeding program......All stud dogs, and all females taken to stud dogs should have to be profiled, and breeder should have to be shown some kind of proof that she/he is or face being banned from UKC.........

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John, thats not a bad idea..... It will drive the cost of the pup up a little, but shouldn't be that dramatic........Good thinking......TCB

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John just who is it that you think was breeding Spanky?

Quote--He came from a man that no doubt had some fine hounds in the past. As far as being a breeder so to speak I really don't think he was all that well known not saying he wasn't honest or didn't breed up some good stock, but not known as well as some of the other lines.

Dave Dean has been the man breeding him and claiming to have seamen,hmmmm!!!!

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Well put Mackie, it falls within the relm of both Sire & Dam to be responsible for the cross. Its just like when pups don't make coon dogs, the first thing they (people) want to blame is the Stud dog, seen it here on this message site, everyone forgets it takes 2 to make a cross and folks forget the female has an equal roll in the making of a cross.

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Mr. Dean was not the breeder of spanky...........Yes he does have semen from Spanky...........The breeder of Spanky ( not Mr. Dean ) yes he did own Spanky in his last years of his life, and bred him to a lot of females.........Can you understand this Rob Ellett

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before you make a post

no one said dave was the breeder of spanky.

they said he was breeding spanky and some of the pups out of different females were showing spanky not the sire per DNA TEST'S .

maybe i need to go and reread spankys pedagree as was on daves ad in bloodlines sometime back..dont remember a lot of hammer up close as you say.but i will look .

HAVE A GOOD DAY , AND PLEASE,, REREAD BEFORE POSTING ON SOME OF THESE POST ....

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individual dogs not showing the right sire leave a lot of ?s has crickets littermates been profiled? litters with the wrong sire would tell on the breeder.

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WLL YOU KNOW MAYBE YOU SHOULD READ SPANKY'S PEDIGREE, AND THEN READ IT AGAIN..............UNLESS YOU GOT A DIFFERENT PEDIGREE THAN I...........I SEE A LOT OF HAMMER IN HIM...........FROM HAMMER, HAMMER , HAMMER

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What you didnt understand is that your great breeder is the one that has been STUDDING Spanky for quite some time. I just figgured that as much as you want all of us to give Mr. Dean credit that you would KNOW that HE is the one that has been studding him.
And at no point did I accuse him as thetre are always things that can happen that are out of the breeders control.
Have I explained that enough for you? Do you understand now John Vaught?

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Those who know the truth about Spanky know that he's 1/2 bird dog 1/4 bluetick 1/4 Walker ......J.V. , you better just sit this one out.

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After rereading my post on this the worst thing I could find that I said about Mr.Dean is the part about him claiming to have seamen on Spanky,after thinking about it maybe claiming was or wasnt the right choice of words but there wasnt any undertone meant or implied.
I was just trying to clear Mr.Vaughts memory is all as it seemed that he HAD NO IDEA that Dave was the last person to stud Spanky.

Public Notice: I do not have anything agianst Dave Dean or his Hammer hounds!!!

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