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I have an English male that just turned 15 months old. Hunts like crazy, opposite direction from the other dog, but will not say a word. He shows zero interest in a cage coon, will follow the track when I turn it loose but not say a word. Mingles around the tree it went up but nothing. He is driving me crazy. Should I just keep pushing him or when would you make the call to get rid of him?

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It's absolutely an individual call you have to make based on your personal situation. If you are busy, can afford a different dog, or you're just getting interested in hunting, you may want to give up sooner than later. If you are becoming frustrated to the point that you are not "helpful" to the dog then you should stop pushing him. I have seen dogs nearly 3 years old come out of this and be fine coonhounds, I have heard of others older than that (from reliable sources). But I wouldn't ever say all of them will. Best of luck!

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Have you showed him any other game?
He obviously has some tracking ability if he will follow to the tree and hang around the tree some.
How long have you had the dog?
Does he bark in the pen for any reason or bark at anything else period?

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Had him since he was 9 weeks. He is very mouthy around the house wether it's feed time or not.

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Totally up to you, but here is the deal, you got a minimal amount of time in your life. You can spend it with a dog that makes you excited to go hunting or keep one around that you have to ask people if you should give up on. For me its a no brainer. I can't take a kennel barker let alone a kennel barker that can't tree a coon at 15 months old.

When I start a pup I keep written track of what is actually going on. I usually set a limit for myself....very few dogs make it to the limit because I have had enough before that time comes. I am really not that much into standing around in the dark listening to dogs bark up trees anymore. A dog better make it at least tolerable pretty quick for me to keep buying $40 a bag food and spending $4 gas hauling it around.

My guess is when you find a dog that really does a nice job for you, you will look back on this and wonder why you wasted so much time on this one. Good luck though.

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Had him since he was 9 weeks. He is very mouthy around the house wether it's feed time or not.

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Totally up to you, but here is the deal, you got a minimal amount of time in your life. You can spend it with a dog that makes you excited to go hunting or keep one around that you have to ask people if you should give up on. For me its a no brainer. I can't take a kennel barker let alone a kennel barker that can't tree a coon at 15 months old.

When I start a pup I keep written track of what is actually going on. I usually set a limit for myself....very few dogs make it to the limit because I have had enough before that time comes. I am really not that much into standing around in the dark listening to dogs bark up trees anymore. A dog better make it at least tolerable pretty quick for me to keep buying $40 a bag food and spending $4 gas hauling it around.

My guess is when you find a dog that really does a nice job for you, you will look back on this and wonder why you wasted so much time on this one. Good luck though.

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I'm not expert, but I've raised a few. I think I give any dog I've had a very fair chance. When a dog has any ability at all it can and should tree an easy coon easily. We have all had those ones we make excuses for for a while...but we're just fooling ourselves. The longer it takes a young dog to even be tolerable to hunt the lower the chances it will ever be what your looking for. After some experience you start to see things in dogs that make you get a good or bad feeling.

Give them all a fair chance, but don't blame yourself or be afraid to move on once you have done so. Its your money and your time..but I don't have enough of either to waste it on a hound that won't work with me.

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Unless you have tried it already, I would turn a coon loose in deep grass or low brush and let the dog loose just before it gets out of sight. The point is to have the dog catch up to the coon before it can tree. If that doesn't flip the switch then other responses have great advice.

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Ron, I have read a lot of posts on this Forum and this is the best advice one could possibly give in this situation. I learned this early in my coon hunting life. NEVER waste time on a dud or dog that does not make you enjoy hunting with it.Cut your loss and look for one that will at least make you enjoy coon hunting. I see a bunch of at least decent dogs these days, unlike the early years, so there is zero need to hang on to any dog that age that will not tree. Dave

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Had him since he was 9 weeks. He is very mouthy around the house wether it's feed time or not.

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I totally agree with you and Ron.

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Is he wearing a no bark collar or has he been shocked while in the pen for barking? If so does your tracking collar have prongs for shocking capabilities? Sometimes if pups have been shocked around the house for barking and if they are wearing a collar while hunting that has prongs they associate that with "If I bark I will get shocked." Some don't know the difference in the two situations that it's okay to bark while hunting and not okay at home.

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Is he wearing a no bark collar or has he been shocked while in the pen for barking? If so does your tracking collar have prongs for shocking capabilities? Sometimes if pups have been shocked around the house for barking and if they are wearing a collar while hunting that has prongs they associate that with "If I bark I will get shocked." Some don't know the difference in the two situations that it's okay to bark while hunting and not okay at home.

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No where in his post does the OP say that the dog has ever had a bark collar or shock collar used on this dog. A bark or shock collar would change the situation only if they were used on this dog. OP does say dog is mouthy around the house, but NEVER indicated any attempt to correct this behavior. The advice was based on what info was given, not trying to infer something NOT discussed. The fact he worked this dog on a cage coon and a turn loose coon with no productive results or interest from the dog, shows little hope for this dog. Some like to say he may just be a late starter, he may be or he may just be a dud. In this day of early starting pups with many pups treeing their own coon at a early age, it's a waste of time to spend on a 15 month old dog that shows no interest in treeing coon. Dave

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This post reminds of the lee logan podcast where he talks about logans Jeannie or Julie can't remember which one for sure.but he had sent her to guy to hunt he had shot over 100 coon out to that dog and she wouldn't track or tree.he got her back and gave her to friend to try and get her treeing.offered him 100.00 if he got her treeing.well the guy got her treeing by hanging a caged coon in a 1 stall garage above her feed and water pan.well she turned out to be a hell of a dog and reproducer.she was the last pup out of 1 of his old dogs and didn't want to give up on her.

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Is he wearing a no bark collar or has he been shocked while in the pen for barking? If so does your tracking collar have prongs for shocking capabilities? Sometimes if pups have been shocked around the house for barking and if they are wearing a collar while hunting that has prongs they associate that with "If I bark I will get shocked." Some don't know the difference in the two situations that it's okay to bark while hunting and not okay at home.

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No where in his post does the OP say that the dog has ever had a bark collar or shock collar used on this dog. A bark or shock collar would change the situation only if they were used on this dog. OP does say dog is mouthy around the house, but NEVER indicated any attempt to correct this behavior. The advice was based on what info was given, not trying to infer something NOT discussed. The fact he worked this dog on a cage coon and a turn loose coon with no productive results or interest from the dog, shows little hope for this dog. Some like to say he may just be a late starter, he may be or he may just be a dud. In this day of early starting pups with many pups treeing their own coon at a early age, it's a waste of time to spend on a 15 month old dog that shows no interest in treeing coon. Dave

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Over the course of time there is a continuum in the coonhunting world. On one extreme there are those that think if a pup isn't doing it right at 6 months old it's a dud. On the other side you have those that feel that as long as the dog can turn O2 to Co2 there is hope. Most of us fall in the middle.

Where i live there are a lot of coon and pretty easy hunting. Treeing a coon is just not that hard. For a while you can blame it on weather, lack of coon, late starter, ect....and as the price of pups skyrockets more people jump through more hoops to get their investment to work out.

We all want to feel like pups should work out and at times we feel like if WE had them, not the person having issues, they would....just not true. Bottom line is the % of pups that work out is small. The great trainers best trait is that that know what they see and correctly evaluate potential. They don't waste time doing every trick in the book to get a dog to do what it needs natural instinct to do. It's a harsh reality...but its the reality of the game.

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Over the course of time there is a continuum in the coonhunting world. On one extreme there are those that think if a pup isn't doing it right at 6 months old it's a dud. On the other side you have those that feel that as long as the dog can turn O2 to Co2 there is hope. Most of us fall in the middle.

Where i live there are a lot of coon and pretty easy hunting. Treeing a coon is just not that hard. For a while you can blame it on weather, lack of coon, late starter, ect....and as the price of pups skyrockets more people jump through more hoops to get their investment to work out.

We all want to feel like pups should work out and at times we feel like if WE had them, not the person having issues, they would....just not true. Bottom line is the % of pups that work out is small. The great trainers best trait is that that know what they see and correctly evaluate potential. They don't waste time doing every trick in the book to get a dog to do what it needs natural instinct to do. It's a harsh reality...but its the reality of the game.

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I have an English male that just turned 15 months old. Hunts like crazy, opposite direction from the other dog, but will not say a word. He shows zero interest in a cage coon, will follow the track when I turn it loose but not say a word. Mingles around the tree it went up but nothing. He is driving me crazy. Should I just keep pushing him or when would you make the call to get rid of him?

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What did you find out with your dog?
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I have seen some idea I am going to try. I was talking to a dog man here in PA and he said to trap one and leave it sit next to him. He had one that was the same way, he caught one and just let it sit by the dog and he started baying it and turned on. If it doesn't work he will be for sale for someone to try to train on another critter

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