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blacktandog
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Wild "justice"???

What the !?#$&! I can't believe they think every bear hunter is a poacher.I wonder how they will make us look this season.Man I'm glad I dont live in ca. I feel for you guys that hunt out there.

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bluetickbiggame
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I know i have seen a few shows. Won't even watch them now. I felt like they were making all hunters out to be bad. Your guility before you say anything. Do all wildlife divisions act like this ? I remember back in 96 when we had bear hunting on the ballet. One of the guy's training with us was stopped by a dnr officer. The dnr officer ask a few questions then told the guy it didn't matter anyways. Because after the voters voted bear hunting out he wouldn't have to mess with us any ways. I'm thinking you wouldn't have a job without us. Thank God we WON.

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wild justice

I thank thay are just a**holes that want to be movie stars. Most of our Game Wardens here in TN are alright to get along with.I do feel sorry for the hunters in CA . That show makes all hunters look bad.I thank thay should remove it along with the big foot hunters.

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BLACKDOG6
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WILD JUSTICE HELP NEEDED

"WILD JUSTICE" IS USEING CALIFORNIA AS IT'S VENUE BUT IT IS MY BELIEF THAT THE SHOW IS A BACK CHANAL WAY TO PORTRAY ALL SPORTMEN IN A LIGHT THAT WILL ULTIMATELY LEGISLATE US ALL OUT OF BUSINESS.

I WILL TOUCH UP THE USSA. LAST YEAR THEY NEVER TOOK A HOLD OF THE ISSUE. MAYBE THIS YEAR THEY WILL. WE NEED A BIG PLAYER WITH ORGANIZATIONAL ABILITY TO TAKE THIS ON. YOU AND I AS INDIVIDUALES DO NOT HAVE THE POWER BUT WITH SOME MAJOR ORGANIZATION PULLING THE STRINGS THEY CAN USE OUR VOICES AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME.

OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS

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Countryboyz
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They got one on Maine now its called "northwoods law" airs Friday on animal planet. Im interested in seeing if they make us out like they did the hounds men out there.

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Northwoods law was on sunday and for the first show it wasnt to bad but it didt touch on much.i hope they dont go south with the show if they continue they way the show was the other nite should be allrite

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jeremiah009
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there tv just gave the anti some ammo to use that show pissed me off I to was thinking it was saying all hounds man were poachers and that opens the door for them to stop hunting with hounds the show was about drugs and hounds man .......they should take the show off

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Regan H
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Wild justice

all those shows are ar (H$U$) backed. I can't stand to watch that stuff. animal planted, dics. nat geo. are all ar driven

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get on their facebook page and talk a bunch of trash. i posted that they were all hippies and they need to stay in california

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YOU CATCH MORE FLIES WITH HONEY!!! THEY ALREADY HAVE A LOW OPINION OF US, WHY SPOUT OFF, IT MAKES THEM THINK THEY'RE RIGHT!!! WE NEED TO RESPOND WITH FACTS, NOT INSULTS!!!

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Saw one today where they plotted with about 15 agents to sneak up on fellow at night to evict him. But, they were late as could be expected. So they got him to come out and he told them it was Private Property and they told him he did not own a thing and they arrested him. I got me %$#@ and cut it offr. I don't know what they ever made a case on.

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quote:
Originally posted by Hey Preacher!!!
YOU CATCH MORE FLIES WITH HONEY!!! THEY ALREADY HAVE A LOW OPINION OF US, WHY SPOUT OFF, IT MAKES THEM THINK THEY'RE RIGHT!!! WE NEED TO RESPOND WITH FACTS, NOT INSULTS!!!


probably right but they still suck. thats a fact

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YOU CATCH MORE FLIES WITH HONEY!!! THEY ALREADY HAVE A LOW OPINION OF US, WHY SPOUT OFF, IT MAKES THEM THINK THEY'RE RIGHT!!! WE NEED TO RESPOND WITH FACTS, NOT INSULTS!!!


Finally, an intelligent post!

We did JUST that in 96 in Idaho as did Mich.

It REALLY doesn't help matters when hound hunters take pride publically in being ignorant, uneducated idiots! Just gives the anti's more fuel to their fire (see OR in 94).

1/3 is for 1/3 against, and 1/3 is undetermined. You cannot change the views of the 1/3 for or the 1/3 against...the battle is determined by the 1/3 that is undetermined and has nothing to do w either side. You have to appeal to that population or the other side will.

The antis play on emotion. It is hard to fight emotion with fact. It has to be done with attention to great detail!

A bunch of idiots acting like idiots and solidifying people's perception of hound hunters as a bunch of ignorant, toothless, hot headed, kill happy, and uncaring heathens is NOT going to appeal to the population thay has the power to sway sides. Yet so many hound hunters in the public eye tend to pride themselves on being the perfect fit to the stereotype.

I did a lot of working w the media, fairs, public debates, and public relations in 96 as with did some decoy work. (I am far from the stereotipical hound hunter and anti's loved.captivating my attention thinking I was part of that undetermined 1/3. While I listened to their speel others slipped by on the way out. When done those who stayed to listen got my counter of facts, which worked rather well). Our 'killer' dogs were everywhere in the public licking kids.

I don't believe those shows do as much damage as people think they do on their own merit. What hurts most is when people encounter hound hunters that look, talk, and act like the criminals on tv. Tv show is one thing, but having the same experience in real life solidifies the deal. That is the real danger.

The more people that know and are able to put their hands on our dogs seeing them friendly, healthy, and well cared for the less they see them as the out of control killers of anything that moves. The more people with facts and positive experiencea with people they can relate to that hunt, the smaller that 1/3 gap can be swayed to the anti's side.

The experiences I have had fighting the antis and working with the public is a good deal why I have so little tolerance with people on here acting like idiots or taking pride in being part of the population of ignorant hound hunters. (such as the idiot who took pride in referring to coonhunters being dumb by stating I was too smart to be a hound hunter and probably was just a foo foo dog breeder, lol).

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blacktandog
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Are you saying everybody else's comments were not intelligent. I started this to get a laugh.we are all hound hunters. Maybe you should watch how you word things.

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BLACKDOG6
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PERSPECTIVES

THERE IS NO DOUBT WILD JUSTICE HAS AN AGENDA WHICH IS NOT OURS. THIS IS ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS WHERE INSTANT GRATIFICATION GETS US NO WHERE. BEING IN THE GUTTER IS GOING TO GET US NO WHERE AT ALL. WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS BE SMART LIKE A FOX, GET IN AND OUT OF THE CHICKEN HOUSE WITHOUT GETTING CAUGHT. OUT SMART THEM AND DO NOT GIVE THEM THE AMMO TO ATTACK US WITH. STAR PLOTT AND RHK HAVE MY VOTE.

I SAW THE "NORTHWOODS LAW" SHOW ABOUT MAINE LAST NIGHT. THE TENNOR- ATTITUDE WAS AT THE OPPOSITE END OF THE SPECTRUM FROM WILD JUSTICE. A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO THE MAINE WARDEN SERVICE WAS CHASTISED IN THE PAPER FOR A GENERALLY BAD ATTITUDE. THIS SHOW FROM MY PERSPECTIVE SHOWED POSITIVE INTERACTIONS AND DEPICTIONS. I HOPE IT STAYS THAT WAY.

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cougar
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starplott was correct to a degree , but do NOT get cocky , i myself know first hand as to what they can do, i was born and raised in Forks Washington hunted dogs for better than half my life i am in my mid 40's now. antis put on t.v a bunch of lies and cut and pasted a few home videos that were seized from people caught poaching and selling bear gall bladders in oregon and california and new mexico . had zero to do with washington state , they found out how easy it was to make people hate and despise other people by plastering lies on t.v during prime time hours . then they went around to schools and college's gathering signatures to place this thing on a ballet to be voted on by the people . the ennitiative was I - 655 making claim that hunting with the use of dogs on, bear, bobcat, mountain lion and lynx was in humane along with baiting of bear and also was unsportsman like conduct . we as houndmen got together statewide did fund raisers to get money together to buy the brains of a lawyer to defend us as houndsmen in the court of law. the anti's ended up winning , we were shut down basicly over night , they won by using a scenario about using dynamite to catch fish. if you wish to stand against the anti's you first need to learn to stand together as a whole not devided, that means every single elk and deer hunter wether you use a bow,a gun or muzzle loader makes no differance, every hound man whether you hunt squirrel's,bears,bobcats,cougars,bears,coons or pigs. fisherman as well this also effects you, if you stand together as one you can win if you choose to stand devided you will fall and you will fall hard. you need to educate the people who do not know what we do, you need to take a kid hunting and fishing to educate them so they can also educate there friends and there own kids when they get the age to have them. it is easier to fight to keep the things you currently have instead of to lose them out of ignorance and try to gain them back . when washington state lost its right to use hounds to hunt bear and cats, the numbers were huge those animals were not in any way headed to a low percentage of getting placed on endangered species, matter of fact they was increasing faster than we could keep the numbers in check. reason is due to the timber companys having feeding programs so the bear would stay off the trees, more trees meant more mountain beaver which bobcats love to eat so they to increased in numbers, man i could go on for hours on this topic. bottom line is this, dont hate the player...hate the game...educate the ones that do NOT know what we do. think before you speak ... happy hunting to all and a good blessed day.....

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starplott was correct to a degree , but do NOT get cocky , i myself know first hand as to what they can do, i was born and raised in Forks Washington hunted dogs for better than half my life i am in my mid 40's now. antis put on t.v a bunch of lies and cut and pasted a few home videos that were seized from people caught poaching and selling bear gall bladders in oregon and california and new mexico . had zero to do with washington state , they found out how easy it was to make people hate and despise other people by plastering lies on t.v during prime time hours . then they went around to schools and college's gathering signatures to place this thing on a ballet to be voted on by the people . the ennitiative was I - 655 making claim that hunting with the use of dogs on, bear, bobcat, mountain lion and lynx was in humane along with baiting of bear and also was unsportsman like conduct . we as houndmen got together statewide did fund raisers to get money together to buy the brains of a lawyer to defend us as houndsmen in the court of law. the anti's ended up winning , we were shut down basicly over night , they won by using a scenario about using dynamite to catch fish. if you wish to stand against the anti's you first need to learn to stand together as a whole not devided, that means every single elk and deer hunter wether you use a bow,a gun or muzzle loader makes no differance, every hound man whether you hunt squirrel's,bears,bobcats,cougars,bears,coons or pigs. fisherman as well this also effects you, if you stand together as one you can win if you choose to stand devided you will fall and you will fall hard. you need to educate the people who do not know what we do, you need to take a kid hunting and fishing to educate them so they can also educate there friends and there own kids when they get the age to have them. it is easier to fight to keep the things you currently have instead of to lose them out of ignorance and try to gain them back . when washington state lost its right to use hounds to hunt bear and cats, the numbers were huge those animals were not in any way headed to a low percentage of getting placed on endangered species, matter of fact they was increasing faster than we could keep the numbers in check. reason is due to the timber companys having feeding programs so the bear would stay off the trees, more trees meant more mountain beaver which bobcats love to eat so they to increased in numbers, man i could go on for hours on this topic. bottom line is this, dont hate the player...hate the game...educate the ones that do NOT know what we do. think before you speak ... happy hunting to all and a good blessed day.....
YOU SPEAK ALOT OF TRUTH

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i agree that is complete bs

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CONTACT THE NETWORKS WITH E-MAIL WITH OUR THOUGHTS ON THIS. IF WE CAN FIND AND E-MAIL ADDRESS AND POST IT. FLOOD THERE OFFICES WITH MAIL.

BE RESPECTFUL AND WATCH HOW YOU WORD STUFF. REMEMBER HSUS IS ALWAYS WATCHING. LET OUR NUMBERS START TO SPEAK UP AND BE HEARD.

SOMEONE FIND THIS E-MAIL AND I WILL BE ONE WHO RESPONDS. THEY CAN NOT HOLD IT AGAINST US.

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I think the shows are kind of funny. Did anyone see the one where the warden wired bear feet on his shoes and ran through the woods?My whole family got a laugh out of that one.

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i saw that too! what a riot! that guy was dead serious too. duhhhh im a game warden duhhhh

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Hey RHK Maybe that man,bear,pig was that warden

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you could be right! lol

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Wild Justice is putting all game wardens and there issues with personal relations in a very bad light. What I dislike about wardens the most is the way they try to buddy up to get all the info they can before they stick it to you. I dont make small talk with them, and tell them as little as possible. I try hard to play by the rules, but if they really want to they can usually find something wrong with many of us. I met some wardens in Montana, and Idaho that treated you like a sportsmen untill you gave them reason not to. Our wardens here tend to treat you like a outlaw untill you prove yourself time and time again. I guess big country far from backup will cause you to have a bit of respect. A warden talked with my friend who is a taxidermist the other day. He asked what the deal was, there have been no violations in the local area. He asked this like he was disapointed. My friend told him the older generation has grew out of foolishness, and the younger generation stays home playing video games. He told him maybe someday there wouldnt be a reason for him to have a job. My friend had a minor violation, and the warden told him he would over look it, but he owed him a little info in the future. My friend said get righting a ticket cause I dont owe you anything.

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It seems to me they want people to do the wrong thing. They want them to break the law, why would they want someone to illegally kill a animal. They get all happy and excited, sometimes it looks like they get VERY EXCITED!!!! If y'all know what I mean.

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