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X-BRED is coming Jan 1
Yes Gentleman, A X-bred category is to be implemented on January 1,2015. This was unveiled at the presidents meeting at Autumn Oaks. Basically the plan is to give the breeder the ability to register all his pups without having to fudge that they meet the breed standards. If you breed B&T to B&T and have 6 pups that meet standards they can be registered B&T but you have 2 pups that are off color they can go into the X-bred category. Realize that this X-bred category just deals with color and nothing else in the breed standards. Also this plan is to give the ability to actually cross breed your dog with one of the 7 established breeds of hounds and have the ability to register the pups as X-bred. It also provides and avenue back to being pure bred after a dog gets back to being at least 80% of the particular breed. For example, B&T to Walker= 50% B&T,Walker. Breed 50% B&T,Walker to B&T= 75% B&T,Walker. Breed 75% B&T,Walker to B&T= 87% B&T,Walker. This 87% B&T,Walker would be able to be registered as a full B&T as long as the ABTCHA has given permission for the registry to be open at that time. Single registration is gone and we were told to hold off with any for the rest of the year. The ABTCHA as well as all other UKC chartered breed organizations will be able to open or close said registry once a year in January. Now for dogs that are currently registered as B&T and don't meet breed standards as applied to color only, once UKC receives notification that a dog is in this category they will make a decision concerning the status of this dog. The dog can be moved to the X-Bred category on a case by case basis. Puppys registered prior to the status change would remain registered B&T. Puppys registered after status change would be registered X-Bred. All X-Bred dogs will be able to participate fully in UKC hunting events. They will not be able to participate in showing events as they are not a breed but a category of dogs. There are still many questions about this change and UKC has committed fully to listen and make changes and improvements as the program evolves. I believe this is at the very least a step in the right direction. It gives the purist the ability to keep his dogs as pure as possible but also give the breeder that wants to mix it up a little an avenue to do so. Also the breed organization has the power to allow or not allow these X-bred dogs into the registry by opening or closing the books. The debates about this dog or that dog meeting breed standards in the color category only can now be put to bed. I for sure don't know all the answers concerning the new program.

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well u can leave the plott breed out if the breed organization has control of opening registration or not because they never have nor will they ever open their books for such an awful thing. after all their plotts came w/noahs ark and forbid something could be done to open up the gene pool and allow something in to improve the breed. it is perfect just the way it is. they need no improvements....just go hunt w/some of them and u will see for yourself.

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If the Plott Breed is so awful Bert why do you still hunt Plotts? I have 5 dogs here that are 3 years or under I will drop with anything, they will get there share. Raised every one of them here at my house all out of my dogs, no outside blood in them, why would I want to Change? The problem is not the dogs or what's in them the problem is people want to hunt 2 nights a week and make a young dog & that ain't happening. I ain't on here saying I got the best, guarantee I don't but here in the mountains of Bledsoe County I see Coons with what I turn loose & we have as low a coon population as anywhere in the country. If your plots ain't working for you instead of breeding to a Walker or B&T try some different Plotts................. That is where everyone suffers in the plot breed, every single Plott hunter in the country has there mind made up on how to breed these dogs & that's going to be the only way He or She breeds there dogs some do it suscessfully for 40 years ( Like Gene Walker, Charles Gantte, Bill Hicks, Bill Herrell to name a few) & some have 1 or 2 dogs & you never hear from them again.......... Get you a dog from a proven line of dog with the traits your looking for, breed it LIKE THE BREEDER TELLS YOU TO, not how you think you need to, & you more than likely end up with a good solid line of dog with no RAT ATTACK needed...... If you have a dog that is solid linebred on a certain bloodline & YOU LIKE HIM, why would you want to cross him into another line? If the breeder who bred him has done it that way for 40 years why change it? That is what is killing the plot dogs, too many idiots breeding dogs that know nothing about breeding dogs....

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Mike, I have a Crockett female here, every dog on her papers was owned by Taylor Crockett or Lawrence Porterfield or me that I got from Lawrence, seeing's how Crockett registered his line in the 1940's with UKC & didn't breed anything but that line until his death in 1995, if I breed this dog to your current stud dog how would this be any less cross breeding than breeding her to a Leopard dog?? Your dog does not have 1 common descendent with my female plum back to the 1940's..... The Plott breed is the only breed UKC registered that still has dogs that are linebred this way, Charles Gantte's line of Plotts have been only bred to Gantte bred dogs since the early 1950's no outcrosses so breeding one of them to a popular coon dog stud out there today would be the same as Cross Breeding with another breed because for 50 plus years there is not one common dog in either pedigree.......

I don't think the plot breed needs to have Walker, redbone & ect introduced into it, I think people should get a line of dogs that have the traits they are looking for, line breed that line of dog & cull hard, & I mean real hard, be honest with one's self and only breed the best to the best out of that said line of dogs & the Plott breed will improve as a whole..... I am VERY happy with what I have here, the pups we are LINEBREEDING are very consistant with the generations before them, & if more people would think before they just breed ole Joe to Ole Sue cause they want some puppies the breed would be better off...........JMO

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first i have never advertised a stud dog or claimed to be a breeder. so u need to get your story straight about that.... second....40 yrs of linebreeding w/o any outcross u say...yea right and still powerhouse dogs. well i am glad u r happy w/what u r breeding cause u r the one having to feed them.
yes u r right about some dogs r decent but how about consistency.... i mean in the hunts....where is all that power at? i don't have it and neither do u or anybody else. yea i hear of them but surely do not see them in the winner's circle much. a win here and a win there but not consistently.
the only one i have heard of w/any winning of importance was the dog Evan Workman hunts. i will say he must be pretty nice even though i have never hunted w/him but he has some significant wins. but is that it? where r all these other great plotts? of any bloodline? and how many hog dog bloodlines make great coondogs?
look at autumn oaks the last couple yrs....u do not have to go any further back but what dogs won and did they win their casts?
i am not throwing off on plott people unless they r just so stuck in the sand and not moving forward. how many of the plott people can or will say this and be honest. the best plott dog out there whoever may have it is compared to the rest of the competition world in any association is at best above average.
oh u asked why i hunted plott dogs... i like them and have somewhat successfully campaigned 2 but even they were only above avg and then they were not consistent enough night in and night out. but then again i am a realist and do not blow smoke like a lot.
also hunt them because of npha and will continue to do so cause i love to irritate people

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hey gr nt....if we both do not get deleted from here maybe people will start watching the postings again. it gives people something to do and we always seem to be able to keep something going for them.
as far as hunting i go only 2 nights a week cause i work all night the rest of the week but those two nights i hunt from dark til sunup or later. some people claim to hunt every night but when a person sits in the truck and listens to what's going on is not exactly hunting to me and definitely not training which is something continuously going on w/any hunting i do.

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Mike you can take a line of dogs & breed them for 40 years and never outcross & still have top dogs, look at the Gantte Line, still one of the best Bear Stock dogs out there today, still reproducing very high % of pups that make good Bear dogs, as for competition coon hunting there are a lot of good dogs out there, most people who have them breed there line of dogs and are not really interested in breeding other peoples lines in them, I for one don't have the money to go to the big UKC hunts anymore, spend $300 in Gas $200 for a Motel Room & ect to hunt them, I do have a couple of dogs that I honestly feel can win in them, I have a female here that has been entered in 5 UKC hunts & won all five at just a little over 2 years old... She has never drawed a minus point on any cast she has been in, she has never had a tree circled she was treeing on either. She's got a couple wins toward Gr.Nt.Ch. She is not the best I have ever led but I think she will be the best I have led when it's all said & done & I have led some good plot dogs in a hunt in my day. Thunder was the most consitant dog I have known of, He only got beat 2 times at Plott sectionals in his life & he probally hunted 40 of them, he was high scoring plot 2 years & still holds the record for the NPHA, he was UKC World Champion one year & was high scoring male another at the World. Won his cast 7 strait years at plot days is that consistant enough, he's dead now but I can still breed to him so it's like he's alive for me.

There is top of the line Plott dogs out there, just not near as many plot guys care about spending $1,000 to win a trophy when they only want to breed there dogs to dogs of the same line anyway. I know what I am feeding & don't care to show anything I own in the woods, & there are plenty more out there with as good or better than I feed. Here where I live is the heart of PKC country, & we draw Plenty of PKC Silver. Gold & Platinum Champions on regular UKC hunts & our dogs hold there own. Brian Reece has a picture from several years back on a $10 Tuesday night PKC hunt here at our Club with Rat Attack, Smith's Black Hobie, Dark Hollow Hobo's Hoss & Flatrock Sheena in a $10 cast, these 4 dog & there offspring have made hundred's of thousands of dollars in PKC & these 4 dogs were hunting for $28.00....... That's the caliber of dogs you can draw here & our dogs have consistently won for years here, the Moses boys have consistently won with there buckshot & poacher dogs, Gene Walker has had what about 40 Gr.Nt.Ch. Pocahontas dogs, Bud Ramsey & Walkup has consistanly won with there Buckeye bred dogs there out there you just have to look at the right place. These guys have consistant dogs because they breed there line & you don't see them going to a total outcross, total different bloodline to get there next winner. The all breed within there line, breed the best to the best & they all CULL, don't pass there problem dogs off on someone else...... The people breeding with no reguard to ability, bloodlines, linebreeding, those people are killing our breed, it's so small when you get a dog with this type breeding behind it, it's usually a miss instead of a hit...... That's why I only breed proven woods dogs from my line & I am liking what I am BREEDING, TRAINING, HUNTING,they look and act like what I bred them for.... I don't buy dogs ( dang sure don't have the money raising a house full of kids) so we have to breed our best to our best & buy plenty of 22 shells ( some for dogs but most of which are used in making the dogs we want) Train hard, correct harder & if you have a solid foundation you will win as many or more than you loose......JMO

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Let's see, 5 casts w/2 ch wins... Made nitech in 3 casts and won 2 nitech wins in the other two. Sounds like the kind of female everyone is looking for no matter what breed. Let me help ya out w/thee money part....price her. If u have such breeding u can reproduce her.
Oh I know u do not want to sell her....tell ya what I will do. I am not a breeder and never claimed to be. I will campaign her in whichever registry u want all at my expense. You cannot get a better deal than that. I am not wealthy by far but is like to hunt a good dog and most people would give their right testicle to hunt one like her. I am sure u can find my # somewhere. I have never bragged on any dog I have ever had and have never had the records u have. If u got one as good as u say she is then she deserves being campaigned don't u think! U will never get an offer better.
Even though I may have not had the years u have had in the plott breed I have learned a little in my 40+ yrs of coonhunting. The one thing I learned is that if u have a good enough dog u do not have to run all over the country for a trophy and spend thousands of dollars.
An ex: Rqe's r everywhere so u go to one and get qualified, then to the zone closest get 2 cast wins to be sure u get into the finals. Now u said she has only been in 5 hunts so if u count your gas, entry fees and any misc. expenses u may have spent more than it would have cost to qualify and be going to the zones this next weekend w/her. (Of course u may be doing that anyway but u had not mentioned it so I assumed u would not have left that out)
There was a walker dog down here in Carolina which was never put in a hunt and was bred more than most stud dogs at the time.

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Mike somebody should have told you along the line Money can't buy you everything. I don't know what you gave for this dog your name is on as the owner but I bet he wasn't cheap as I bet the other ones you have BOUGHT wasn't, well like I said before I dang sure ain't the only person with a good plott that your wallet can't help you obtain, I have had offers from several people to buy this female & my son says he wants to keep her. You are more than welcome to bring your latest Plott that your wallet as affored you to purchase & hunt with her any night you want to, just hit I-40 & get off in Tennessee at exit 322 & head south about a hour, were real easy to find. As for you agreeing to HUNT her for me, you said earlier you just got to hunt 2 nights a week, in my opinion no dog can be competitive in a national race only being hunted 2 nights a week so I will have to pass on that offer for sure. Mike people like you who are always looking for something to question someone about & put someone or there dogs down sure ain't helping the breed, mabey you need to take you newest PURCHASE & cross breed him or her ( whichever it is) & breed to you a walker & see how much you "HELP" the plot breed..... See how competitive they become? See how much your half white PLOTT wins, make a believer out of US PUREST..... When you get one of these cross bred plots that's better than what we've hunted her for going on 30 years you may just change the outlook on our breed to all of us..... Until then I will keep my Gator II crossed over King Cobra dogs they have worked well for my family for many years now, hopefully you can cross your dog to Trackman & it will work for you for as long......... All that white just never has appealed to me for sure.......

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Come get some, fellas!

The pups would be registered as X BRED. Not plott, not English. If I'd be making this cross id be doing it because I know I'm breeding a coon dog to a coon dog. I've hunted with both dogs night in and night out and know what I'm putting into the cross. I won't have to drive 10 hours across the country to hunt with a stud dog I don't know nearly as much about, and have to deal with butt head stud owners (true story). This gives me an avenue to make my own personal dogs better in my opinion. If you don't want a part of it, don't do it.

I highly doubt the NPHA will open their books to 80-90% pure plotts. Because we all know that all "plotts" out there right now are more pure than that huh? Lol

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danielle, i knew there was more to u than just good looks.
as far as u gr nite i guess we will be thrown off here after your last rant.
for actually coming after me. knew it would probably not last long. i am glad u know so much about me and what i pay for dogs. none of your business but anyway my jake II dog i paid $500 for at about 13 mths old and was told by the guy who sold him to me i could keep him and hunt him however i wanted to and if he won the world hunt his price was still the same if and when i wanted to buy him. now the dog i own now the man who sold him to me ( i'm sorry, i meant give him to me) said i could do w/him whatever i wanted but i had to pay the shipping fee which i recall was $275. so as far as money buying it was not the money i don't think. both these men knew i pleasure hunted and campaigned a dog to the best of his ability which i have done and continue to do so. by the way gr nite.... since i have had the present one i have mostly hunted only a couple nites a week and it has been a struggle but at the present time he is leading the plotts in the purina race and is hunting this weekend in the zones(PROB NOT GET THRU W/O A LOT OF LUCK) so u may be wrong again but this time on 2 accounts....one of how much my big checkbook pays for dogs and two of only 2 nights a week is not good enough to train. it is not necessarily the # of nights u hunt ( esp sitting in a truck like some do) but the quality of time put in...and i do hunt more hrs a week in two nights than a lot of so called hunters do in 5-7 nights a week
i am not bragging on this dog or any dog i have ever owned but just stating a fact. the dog has come a long way but even farther to go yet if he lives that long. i just live for controversy, so if a person cannot stand it....welllll! like a wise man said one time.....BITE ME! dang i hope that does not get me thrown off here cause even the npha site did not throw me off for that but u never know. lol.

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just out of curiosity what would the stud fee be on the purina points leader? I am always looking for something to cross on my "counter fit" female..

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Well Mikes dog is not winning it. It is tied with a

2yr old out of Skid witch is not line bred and all of you would like him. The young dogs name that is winning it is Reaper

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I don't need any walker stuff in my plotts . Mine go hunting and get treed with the meat not like most walkers, my plotts do not blow threw the country before they go hunting, they hunt were you cut them loose and will hunt out deep if needed

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Brack we both needed something extra in our dogs last Friday.........lol

Get a hold of me..............huge mouth Harry is running everything the right way.

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I'm no expert, in fact I've only been hunting Plotts for 4 years. I've hunted w/ hounds for almost 35 years but bought my first plott pup from Gene Walker 4 years ago. I just started competition hunting 3 yrs ago. My Pocahontas bitch made Ntch in about 8 hunts that had plus points. I hunted a couple more where she never even opened during hunt time & there was also never a coon seen at those hunts. A few opossums but never a coon. Lol..
I've noticed in the years of hunting her she defiantly doesn't have as many trees in a night as a lot of dogs in the hunt or even in my small group of buddies, about 6 that all hunt Treeing Walkers, but when she does tree she always has the coon. I've seen her split tree 50 yards away from 3 Treeing hounds & she was the last to tree but had the meat every time, about 10x's this has happened.
When I first started comp hunting they would chuckle at me & say your hunting a Plott? Now when I go anywhere in a 60 mile radius of my house to a hunt, they say I'm the guy that hunts a Walker that looks like a Plott. I've heard many times that my dog doesn't hunt like a "normal" Plott & I don't know because she's the first one I ever saw or hunted with. I also have a 2 yr old male that his Dam was Buckeye Bud line bred & as good as I think my female is.. I think he may be better. I'm excited to hunt him in hunts soon to show some of these fellas it's not a fluke that there is one good Plott out there.
Back to the X Breed I'm happy that Plotts are a closed registry and thou I've only hunted 2 lines I like what I've seen so far with them.

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Jeff what them walker boys don't understand is that there are a lot more plotts like that than they realize. I've won with walkers plotts and English. What the difference is are the people who hunt plotts like their own stuff, and don't full with all the hype and lime light. I'd also say the majority of us bear hunt too and that makes it harder to run the hunts, training spring/summer and hunting fall through winter. I don't need any outside stuff in my plotts either.

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