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Are the following the traits we should breed for to win.

strike tracks that can be teed in 20 minutes or less.

leave fast looking for a coon

drift tracks opening here and there.

be independent if necessary.

ability to lay a coon up.

get treed and stay right or wrong.

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I voted yes, would like to here some frm some that voted no...Gerald

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I am experiencing good independence (not paying attention to other hounds while not passing up coon) as the hounds get older. The other traits are bred in them. I personally like the same type hound you do. Naturally I voted yes.

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I would add: A ONE BARK TREE DOG THAT CAN BE HEARD

Can't have them locating around

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I like a dog that gets opened quick on track. don't care for it to say much after it opens, just here and there. When it locates I want it there right or wrong.

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those traits are the reason I hunt bluedogs, except the running by tracks to find a easy one...............I am not gonna put buckets up to hunt off of just so my dog can tree a coon.

SERIOUSLY: I thought we had them traits bred in pretty strong and as far as one bark treedogs, if you need a faster locating dog then see the twin springs running bullet II thread, I have owned several of them and no matter if they turned out average or top hound THEY ALL WERE ONE BARK, TREE'EM WHEN THEY LOOK UP type dogs

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Are the following the traits we should breed for to win.

strike tracks that can be teed in 20 minutes or less.

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I don't think it is the kind of tracks that the dogs are striking as much as their inability to move a track

if you have one that is looking for where a coon IS and not where he WAS you will spend more time treed and less time booting and bellering

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I don't think it is the kind of tracks that the dogs are striking as much as their inability to move a track

if you have one that is looking for where a coon IS and not where he WAS you will spend more time treed and less time booting and bellering

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be independent if necessary.

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Are the following the traits we should breed for to win.

strike tracks that can be teed in 20 minutes or less.

leave fast looking for a coon

drift tracks opening here and there.

be independent if necessary.

ability to lay a coon up.

get treed and stay right or wrong.

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once again, yep I like them to get gone and get under a coon, if the other hounds tag along that,s fine, on the other hand I don,t want one out cold trailing half the night while other dogs in the cast are looking at coons, I guess for me the bottom line is, Get under a coon quick as possible.......Gerald

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that part is NECESSARY if they are going to eat feed at my house....not just a little bit independent either....

There was a dog that won all over this country and had his praises sung by the masses at how good this hound was. I mean this sucker was a big time winner at big hunts. I finally got the chance to draw him. You talk about an absolute piece of junk. Got struck quick and backed every dog that made a tree. If a dog loaded up on a tree, that sucker was breaking his neck to get there. I wouldn't have fed this counterfeit sucker one bite of my dog feed, but he had won all over the country.

What fits your mold of a winner might not fit someone elses. A ME TOOing sucker that gets open quick CAN and WILL win if you take him to town enough.

One that REALLY suites me may be too independent for some and in far north patch woods may not work at all. In my country, ALONE with a coon, and even toting last strike, will win way more casts that not. A dog needs to participate if they strike at your feet, but if it takes just a bit, mine needs to be away from the crowd. Just a personal preference.

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The dog that can tree the most coon in the least amount of time is what I want..........Tim

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Truthfully too many of us (including myself ) judge a dog on one hunt. Every dog has an off night. I personally will never prefer a hound that skips tracks to get alone. I have been on two casts personally where the cast winner had over 400 and the PKC popular track skippers scored 0. Those hounds looked bad on that night. That type of independence is mostly trained into hounds by the person who trained them. They are simply trained not to tree or hunt with other hounds. Is that really natural independence at all? That is why many of them fail to reproduce the extreme alone they display themselves. JMHO

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The dog that can tree the most coon in the least amount of time is what I want..........Tim

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how many of these have you trained?

For you to say "PKC popular track skippers" shows a mind set that has been instilled by someone, most likely a mentor. If you can beat these so-called "track skippers" so easily, why wouldn't you go get some of their money???

Please don't say that their old sorry slick treers that can "win without looking at a coon" can beat old me too at his own game?

If we are "skipping" cold tracks to get to a hotter one that can be treed faster isn't that the same thing.

I can guarantee you that their have been some that lived here that were dang sure never "TAUGHT" to get by theirself and spent the majority of their time that way.

If you want to hunt a packer, that is your choice. I choose not to.

As for judging that dog on one hunt, I had heard he was that way before I drew him......HE WAS!

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that part is NECESSARY if they are going to eat feed at my house....not just a little bit independent either....

There was a dog that won all over this country and had his praises sung by the masses at how good this hound was. I mean this sucker was a big time winner at big hunts. I finally got the chance to draw him. You talk about an absolute piece of junk. Got struck quick and backed every dog that made a tree. If a dog loaded up on a tree, that sucker was breaking his neck to get there. I wouldn't have fed this counterfeit sucker one bite of my dog feed, but he had won all over the country.

What fits your mold of a winner might not fit someone elses. A ME TOOing sucker that gets open quick CAN and WILL win if you take him to town enough.

One that REALLY suites me may be too independent for some and in far north patch woods may not work at all. In my country, ALONE with a coon, and even toting last strike, will win way more casts that not. A dog needs to participate if they strike at your feet, but if it takes just a bit, mine needs to be away from the crowd. Just a personal preference.

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like Tim described.

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is it possible

can you really teach a dog to be that independent? I dont think I would have faith in a dog that was TRAINED to stay treed and I know for a fact I wouldnt waste my time with one that you HAD to TRAIN to get by theirselves and STAY SPLIT WITH PRESSURE...........wheeeww, that would be to much pressure for ME to take

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If I hunted PKC I would be on prohound. I do hunt with quite a few PKC hounds. I never said I prefer a pack dog. Good luck to you and I hope your hound is throwing the traits you like.

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Ritchie,
IN The phrase I used the word tree, not help tree or me too, and I think what Lance is trying to say is that when a dog is MADE independent they do not reproduce independence.

I pleasure hunt with PKC hunters that are always WORKING on their dogs for backing, if they ain't first they don't want them there. I would just as soon have the dog that is there first, with or without company...........Tim

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IN The phrase I used the word tree, not help tree or me too, and I think what Lance is trying to say is that when a dog is MADE independent they do not reproduce independence.

I pleasure hunt with PKC hunters that are always WORKING on their dogs for backing, if they ain't first they don't want them there. I would just as soon have the dog that is there first, with or without company...........Tim

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Ritchie,
when a dog is MADE independent they do not reproduce independence.

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can you really teach a dog to be that independent? I dont think I would have faith in a dog that was TRAINED to stay treed and I know for a fact I wouldnt waste my time with one that you HAD to TRAIN to get by theirselves and STAY SPLIT WITH PRESSURE...........wheeeww, that would be to much pressure for ME to take

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