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I agree.
But , do you want people to say the same thing about titled Big Game dogs? I don't.
If someone comes up with a way to evaluate a dog by itself , I'm all for it.
Heck , I'd like to see ALL coondogs have to prove themselves !

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I dont get it...if you want to single register a dog..the UKC makes you go out and tree a coon?

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I dont get it...if you want to single register a dog..the UKC makes you go out and tree a coon?

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I dont get it...if you want to single register a dog..the UKC makes you go out and tree a coon?

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A man breeds bear dogs to bear dogs for 30-40 years and has to register his bear dogs as coon dogs. Did some one say something about reaching out to the big game hunter? There are dogs that will run a bear, and then there are bear dogs.
I know a fellow that has 2 plott bear dog pups that are the result of over 40 years of breeding nothing but UKC reg. plotts and he can't reg. them because the were born a buckskin color. Why would UKC reg. a dog from unregistered parents and not reg pups from purple ribbon parents for 8-10 generations or more?
I'm all for it, but don't hold your breath until it happens.

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cab has the idea I was talking about.Todd,I hope you can get the ball rolling and whatever I can do I'll be there.

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Interesting....and to think if it's born to registered parents..it can be a lazy good for nothing and still be a registered dog. Why dont they follow this for all CH and NTCH titles? Alot less titles would be handed out I bet....and we'd all have better pups being born.

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A man breeds bear dogs to bear dogs for 30-40 years and has to register his bear dogs as coon dogs. Did some one say something about reaching out to the big game hunter?

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I know a fellow that has 2 plott bear dog pups that are the result of over 40 years of breeding nothing but UKC reg. plotts and he can't reg. them because the were born a buckskin color. Why would UKC reg. a dog from unregistered parents and not reg pups from purple ribbon parents for 8-10 generations or more?

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This program is still on the first page level and ideas are still being bounced around. Inspection and worthy inspectors are going to be the key to its success in every state that has big game hunting with hounds. This should not and I believe will not be a scent drag inspection.

Breed associations will play a roll to a certain degree but remember this program is not so you can register the hounds for coonhunting competition, this is going to be a big game registry.

I believe the way it may get set up if not mistaken is if you breed your full registered coonhound to a big gamer they will not be able to be registered as a coonhound or even their descendent's.

That is the way it should be and at that point issues like the plott breeders with the buckskins should have no issues because they would not be mixing with the registered coonhounds.

Currently you have hounds being bred to curs and they are being registered as treeing curs not coonhounds. Not sure what the cross bred hounds would be recognized as, I'm not to found of the name Grade myself.

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Spanky I don't think your following correctly.The idea is to get the different breeds to make a seperate inspection for big game dogs that would allow them to be single registered into their respective breeds not a seperate breed.So that in order to be single registered they could go out and tree something other than a coon like it is now.

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Oooh, I'm not sure I like the idea of having dogs registered as Redbone Coonhound and Redbone Big Game Hound. English Coonhound and English Big Game Hound, etc. and not allow them to breed back and forth if a person so desired. What about the guy that actually does both with the same dog? Or sells pups out of the same litter to an avid coonhunter and a dedicated big game houndsmen?

Does the fact that these breeds of hounds have the word "coon" in their name offend many big game houndsmen? I've never heard that mentioned.

I was only thinking that I would propose to the breed associations that they permit those coonhounds being used on big game to be able to be inspected on big game. If they will agree to that, then we will have to decide what would qualify someone to be an inspector and what the most basic requirements would be to pass a single registration inspection.

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First requirement for both hound and inspecter,Leave the road LOL I think Spanky got lost somewhere along the way LOL

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Oooh, I'm not sure I like the idea of having dogs registered as Redbone Coonhound and Redbone Big Game Hound. English Coonhound and English Big Game Hound, etc. and not allow them to breed back and forth if a person so desired. What about the guy that actually does both with the same dog? Or sells pups out of the same litter to an avid coonhunter and a dedicated big game houndsmen?


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Does the fact that these breeds of hounds have the word "coon" in their name offend many big game houndsmen? I've never heard that mentioned.


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I was only thinking that I would propose to the breed associations that they permit those coonhounds being used on big game to be able to be inspected on big game. If they will agree to that, then we will have to decide what would qualify someone to be an inspector and what the most basic requirements would be to pass a single registration inspection.

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what todd just said is what I thought we where talking about . I just ran into this a couple of years ago I had a female that was a reg dog but the guy I got her from had throwed the puppy papers away and couldnt rember the breeders name to try and get her papers. The female was just run on bear and would not run a coon. So she didnt have papers on her but was an excellent bear dog so I raised a litter of pups from her and a reg dog of mine. They are good hounds but I cant reg them because I dont coon hunt them.I think this would be a great idea so I could use them in my breeding program in the future and keep all of my dogs reg.

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Wow I guess this topic is different from the e-mails I got. I mis-interpetted your e-mails Todd and Sam, my apologies to you two.

The word Coonhound does not offend me one bit my hounds are all decendents of coonhounds. I thought we were trying to build something to better recognize the Big game hounds that are multi breeds with no registration.

Sounds like your looking to single registered hounds of unknown origin by field testing them on big game? Who determines what breed they are? I know hounds that are from redbone/plott crosses that will tree cats 7 days till sunday and 2 of the pups look like black and tan....so I ask you what breed do you register them under?

I'm sure there will be an uproar over this one. I wonder how Mr. Brandenberg, Mr. Weems, Dave Dean, Joe House, James Merchant and others feel about multi breeding for purity.

If this is the best you guys can come up with then lets get rid of the 6 breeds and just call them all english, LOL

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Oh no Spanky the litefoot boys got you talkin english too?!!!!!!!!Scott hear me buddy there is still some good walkers out there buddy,resist it man.LOL

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No worries here Travis, what I have makes me plenty happy and if I were to start over it would not be with an english, LOL

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I don't think we're talking about single registering a bunch of mixed up bred dogs. I assume the breed standards would remain the same for each breed. I would hope that the individual wanting to register their hound would know what the hound was really out of, and would be honest enough to put the correct names in the pedigree. I know there will be some who make up the names in the pedigree. But it's no different that the dishonest people who fake paper their dogs under the current system.

At least with a more reasonable single registration system available, hunters would have the option of getting there hounds registered by doing it the right way, by putting the correct names in the pedigree. I think this would be a benefit to all hunters and breeds. I know there are alot of hunters out their who have bred up a strain of big game hounds, many of them are pure bred on a particular breed. But for various reasons the hounds are not currently registered. If the known ancestry of these hounds was put in their registered pedigrees, it would make these high quality strains of hounds available for other breeders to use in their breeding programs.

I think the most important reason to have more hounds be registered, is so when someone gets a hound that they really like, they know what the hound is out of and can research the dogs pedigree in order to try to get more hounds like the one they have.

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The English breed will Forever be better off. Due to the Vast Wisdom in your making that choice.
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Please stay with the breed you are hunting now.


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This thread Was and Should be about.
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As always Dustin you have proven to be wise beyond your years bud. I agree with what your trying to say but to allow an individual based on some form of honor code to give you a list of heritage with no proof is the end of a breed.

There are already dishonest people out there putting false papers on hounds as it is and if this goes through now we are basically making it easier for them.

There is no full proof system but lets not kick the door down on years of purity whether it be english walker or whatever. What will a plott do to the black and tan breed if mixed in several times within a line?

What will a kemmer cur do if mixed with a plott a few times?

Are you willing to risk all the hard work that has gone into the lightfoot line when someone shows up with a ticked hound and a list of decendents and not knowing if the list is true?

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Ok I just saw the E word in your post and got worried

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lets keep our posts related to the topic travis, LOL

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Are you willing to risk all the hard work that has gone into the lightfoot line when someone shows up with a ticked hound and a list of decendents and not knowing if the list is true?

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