Registered: Dec 2006
Location: eastern panhandle wv
Posts: 70
Tree game gets my vote. And as for pitts, just read the title of this forum.
UKC BIG GAME HUNTING
A place to hang out for folks who hunt big game with hounds.
Registered: Jun 2003
Location: Kalamazoo, Mich.
Posts: 6113
From another angle maybe. UKC provides these forums for our customers. If this forum were to become so popular with the running dog people that it drove away the tree dog people to other big game sites, then I would think we would have alienated the group that is most supportive of UKC. I'm not saying that will happen but I would hate to see it get to that point.
We don't offer programs for the running dogs at this point. Maybe some day we will. But I for one hope this forum remains predominantly big game tree game oriented.
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How could one be drove away from a site because and occasional picture of a hog being caught by a bulldog was shown? The hog was most likely bayed up by some cur dogs of some sort with possibley some hound in them but those of us who have hog hunted know that when you get to the bay, the bulldog needs to be cut loose. It ain that big a deal. I dont see why anybody would not want to see photos like that. Its a blast and everybody should try it some day. I am not a squirrel hunter but I love to look at tree dogs treeing. I am also not a gray fox hunter but the idea of a dog being good enough to run and catch and tree a gray fox makes me a appreciate a dog even more. The ability of a rough old cur to run and stop and bay up a big 250# boar makes my heart happy I guess you would say. I dont see why folks would get so bent out of shape from an occasional picture or story. Dont look or read if you dont like it then. These type of attitudes towards your fellow dog hunters is what allows the antis and other lobbyist take away our freedoms as dog men. The American Pitbull Terrier or "bulldog" what ever you want to call it is probably the neatest breed of dog ever bred. They give everything they have at whatever you ask them to do. I cannot tell you how many times I have seen hounds and curs growling and fighting and actin a fool in the back of a trailer or in a box and see the bulldog just standing there winding and ignoring. It is true gents whether you like it or not. I have seen curs and hound jump on a bulldog in a tightly confined trailer only to watch the bulldog stand there and get his head knawed on and not even flinch. They get a bad rap from some hoodlums raising them in a BS sort of way but they are neat as could be. I absolutely love their pain tolerance and their patience with children. I have never seen a breed of dog that will allow a toddler to jerk and tear on their ears and act a fool and whop them with wiffle ball bats and such like a pitbull will. They are truly amazing.
I know, I got off on a tangent there but this is a big game forum. Let folks show what they consider big game. Sure maybe there should be a running dog forum for yotes and deer but until then let them show their photos. It aint gonna hurt nobody. Go deer doggin one time or dog some yotes. Its a friggin blast if you get to go with good dogs.
While it's true I do love bulldogs and have had a few nice ones over the years, Todd does have a point. I think I let my full cry subscription run out because a lot of what is in there is not what I enjoy reading about. If circulation is good and a lot of folks want to read about feists and terriers that is fine by me. I used to read it cover to cover. It got to the point where I would just thumb through it and never give it a second glance. If this is supposed to be a hound site then it probably should be. Though sometime it is interesting to see what other guys are doing with other breed on big dongerous game.
quote:Originally posted by Grub While it's true I do love bulldogs and have had a few nice ones over the years, Todd does have a point. I think I let my full cry subscription run out because a lot of what is in there is not what I enjoy reading about. If circulation is good and a lot of folks want to read about feists and terriers that is fine by me. I used to read it cover to cover. It got to the point where I would just thumb through it and never give it a second glance. If this is supposed to be a hound site then it probably should be. Though sometime it is interesting to see what other guys are doing with other breed on big dongerous game.
I think if you are going to restrict this forum to hounds only then you better change the name to Big Game Hunting with hounds, not just big game hunting. People are asking about cur dogs, U.K.C. has a cur dog site. It's two below the big game page.
The only real thing that gets me is U.K.C. is about registered dogs. I don't like reading about cross bred stuff. If I want to do that I'll go to forums other than the U.K.C.
I agree with Phil about Full Cry I don't get it either because it became swamped with mostly everything but hound hunting big game. That is a prime example where off topic can go and stay. To me full cry is what hound doggers are listening to when their dogs are trailing and bawling out!!
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I have already voiced my opinion about what the big game board is all about. I understand what Brian is saying about the registered dogs..... I have hunted several breeds of registered dogs and most didn't make the cut. I think if you are a big game houndsmen you probably aready check out the other sites.... so what. If this board does become a "Big game hunting with Hounds" only place..... please delete my user account as that type of thinking is what is wrong with hunters in general these days...imo. I do believe that several people have problems with pits on here... and that is sad. I agree with Dan that they are the neatest breed ever.... and at one time the UKC thought so too. So if this is going to get to the point were some people can participate and some can't....... I'd rather not. Take care. Mason
Is it really an issue..... I think that there are enough posts that are big game in a tree for those that want to see that. I enjoy the hog stuff too, even if it involves a catch dog... and I would even LOVE to see some one posts a pic of a pack bayin the snot right out of a big ol bull elk!!!!
quote:Originally posted by todd kellam From another angle maybe. UKC provides these forums for our customers. If this forum were to become so popular with the running dog people that it drove away the tree dog people to other big game sites, then I would think we would have alienated the group that is most supportive of UKC. I'm not saying that will happen but I would hate to see it get to that point.
We don't offer programs for the running dogs at this point. Maybe some day we will. But I for one hope this forum remains predominantly big game tree game oriented.
I know of plenty UKC registered coondogs running coyotes?
Registered: Oct 2004
Location: Park Falls, WI.
Posts: 487
I think any dog that is UKC reg. should be allowed to be talked about. UKC registers bulldogs and curs. How can you not allow them on the big game department.
If they start to take over make a new department for them. A few threads here and there will just make the big game department more interesting.
So far I think adding the big game department is a big hit. I only browse the coonhound department occassionally now. Did you ever notice that big game hunters are less likely to post fanatical political or religious reterick?
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Registered: Jan 2006
Location: Everywhere
Posts: 2708
You dont have to click on any special link that says "tree game", or "hounds" to get here so, by the very organization of the website I'd say any person who hunts big game with dogs is welcome. Most people in here are running hounds on tree game like bear and cats though. While reading this forum I personally dont care to read anything other than hunting with hounds and curs on cats and bear. That just my opinion though, and yes I do consider a cur to be a tree minded scent hound.
Registered: Jun 2005
Location: North of Panama City Florida
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Re: What Type Big Game Dogs Should The Forum Be Open To?
quote:Originally posted by todd kellam Now I don't have anything against hog hunting, deer dogging or running coyotes
apparently your moderator for the big game forum does because he was unnessicarily rude to me just because i posted a thread on deer dogs. claimed any mutt off the street could run deer, and pretty much spit in my face over the computer. also said deer dogging isnt big game hunting so i should take my thread somewhere else- if deer dogging isnt big game hunting please inlighten me what it actually is.
when i posted it, there was no rule against posting about deer dogging- which in my opinion is big game hunting with hounds. if it is against the rules it has to be stated in the rules that its not allowed or is for tree game only or somthing.
if its not allowed on this board thats ok with me, ill continue posting about my coondogs on the coonhound forum and post my deer dogs on speeddogs or somthin like that but dont put my dogs down and tell me im wasting my time with them in the process of telling me i shouldnt have posted it.
and as for scaring/running people off i think rude moderators would run more off than pics of hog dogs or deer dogs.
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quote:Originally posted by Grub Ouch!!! That might leave a mark.
NOPE it wont. Her thread wasnt even about running deer dogs it was about "name my dogs" If you cant name a dog why get it? And if she thinks that was rude sure hope no one looks at her wrong.I was direct and to the point nothing more or less.
And no I do not consider running deer and yotes with hounds big game hunting.Do I have anything against it? NO!My opinion and Im entitled to it.If Todd and UKC decides those types of dogs are to be allowed here fine.Will I then consider them big game dogs,NO.
What about leopard? we have hunted leopard with some of the same dogs we hunted lion and bear with. I have some friends hunting jaguars and sending me photos are those acceptable?
Brian, I agree with your post. To most of us big game is in the eye of the beholder and what one personally considers big game. It could be long tails, bobs, bear, yotes, fox deer whatever. If it's legal game in the state or province that you live in and can be run with hounds then what is the big deal.
Who said or where does it specify in writing that big game has to tree or it isn't considered big game.
If we are going to get that specific than anyone that does not have a registered hound or for that matter a grade or cross bred hound should be banned from posting here.
Registered: Aug 2006
Location: Northern California
Posts: 800
Why would you consider a Bobcat Big Game, and not a Coyote or Deer? That don't make sense to me.
I think we have enough issues. Why start segregating? I like hearing about everyones ventures. I like being able to see it all in one place. Not 500 different places, so that I miss some good posts.
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my input is simply that if you look at the heading it says "UKC Big Game Hunting" it doesn't say with hounds. so therefore it should be open to it all. the question is what is considered big game. hell the biggest bobcat doesn't even compare to a medium sized hog. a medium sized hog will do way the hell more damage to a dog or even a pack of dogs than a big bobcat.
they have sections for curs/fiest, but they are more for squirrel and coon hunting. around my way the majority of the curs are used for hogs. i think we are splitting hairs. i think big game should be anything outside of coons and varmits. you have a coon hunting section and a varmit section and your big game section. then your done. doesn't matter if you are running hounds or curs. jeez...can't we find something better to discuss then how we are going to divide ourselves.....
08-03-2007 04:57 AM
