Hoosier Outlaw
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Originally posted by Richard Lambert
I think that most cast wins has always been the deciding factor. There is no change there. The only change is giving someone 400- for not hunting on any of the 3 nights. I have never seen anyone go home on Saturday night if they had a chance of winning the overall champion title. So, the only thing that it hurts are the people that don't show up on Thursday night. It is a 3 night hunt. You should have to show up on Thursday night if you want to be considered the "overall" champion. As far as hunt offs, there are many problems with them. I have been "involved" in many of them as handler, guide, judge or just spectator. They sound great in theory but in practice the "best" dog doesn't always win. In order to get there you almost always have to have a "good" dog. When you turn 4 "good" dogs loose at 4 AM, anything can and will happen. A lot of times, no one ends up with plus points. What are you going to do then? Usually, the luckiest dog/handler wins. Those people that have to drive a long way are going to end up driving home Sunday on no sleep. Having to hunt until daylight on Sat night after having been up hunting half of the night on Thursday and Friday nights is no fun for dogs, judges, guides, handlers or officials. The people that are looking/comparing UKC to the other Kennel Club hunts need to realize that #1, they don't have to have plus points to win a hunt-off. Y'all need to realize that in $KC you can hunt off any major hunt, but only about 1% actually do it. 99% of the time they split. And these are experienced handlers that are used to hunting all night. There are reasons for this. You might as well just flip a coin as have a hunt off. If you haven't tried it before, be very careful what you "wish" for. You might get it. 
Richard, many of the major ukc hunts are already hunted off. And you may be off a little when you say that 99% of $kc major hunts get split. $kc redbones days gets hunted off to crown the champion....the state championships get hunted off to crown the championships as well as the other breed championships and the world hunt and nationals and with people trying to get truck tickets (and truck hunts are always hunted off also) more and more of those bigger hunts are hunting it off. Many of the "bigger" hunts are always hunted off because thats the only way to determine the champion of that hunt.
The only problem I see with a hunt off is the dog leading the cast when time runs out should be declared the winner....regardless of plus points. The best dog according to the rules still wins whether you tree coons on the outside or dens. If you drive all that way and spend all the time and money to compete...a winner should be crowned from the final cast and unless you are going to go into sudden death overtime....it should be the dog leading the cast when the time runs out. Its not like this isn't being done in other ukc hunts....it is. I have listed a bunch of them out in earlier posts. The best dogs at a hunt should end up hunting against each other when you are trying to determine the best redbone of a 3 day hunt.
And I do agree with you that this is a 3 day hunt and it usually takes 3 cast wins to win it. So that being said, what difference does it make if someone gets 400- for a night they dont hunt. Afterall there will be others who hunted that night and wont make the deadline or will tree off game or lose a dog and they will get scratched and receive 400-. I think this prevents people from gaming the system and deciding to not enter on a bad night where it is really hot or thunder storming because they are afraid they might take some minus.
This has always been a 3 day hunt and we should treat it like one....or we should not include thursday night wins to determine the overall winner.
There are alot of things that could be changed to make this a better hunt....but you will never satisfy everyone or make it "fair" in the eyes of everyone.
If we want to know what the majority wants...lets ask them to vote on several options for change at the meeting in July. I really like some of these ideas for changes and I think others will too.
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03-23-2013 05:48 AM
Ive been somewhat quiet on the forum for awhile, but in the last few weeks it seems there has been a huge push to try to convince ppl that the $kc format is better, They have their very own set of rules and Forum for that matter. I hope those that want to hunt/win under that format do just that and let those of us who by choice ,choose to win by having to tree a coon ,and a majority see it, to be considered a winner here in ukc ... If that changes in UKC in any fashion or I will add in "Our Breed" hunts I dont think winning it will carry much weight as in this "Crowning" an overall winner or a so called "Best of the Best" ... Competition hunting proves the "Best" on that cast under those conditions under that set of RULES. Flipping coins,least amount of minus,etc proves nothing to me... winning a cast honest and by treeing coon that everyone can see is how I like to compete...
