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All the conversation and not hardly 1 answer to the original question. Maybe none.

How about no 2 big winners are ever trained the same way.

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All the conversation and not hardly 1 answer to the original question. Maybe none.

How about no 2 big winners are ever trained the same way.

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Very few big winners were raised and trained by the men that won with them because those top end. Dogs are hard to find this does not answer your question either but. Very few hunters around that can answer it

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A few I trained or helped train
GrNt PK$ Gold Ch final 4 truck hunt finalist SS AKC reserve national. He was trained by simply carrying him hunting. He was born. No cage coons no hang ups
GrNt silver Ch AKC National ch multiple pro hunt finalsbells Boyd creek pride. One cage coon then had to keep him bumped with collar on off game
GrNt pk$ ch top 16 autumn oaks multiple semi of pro hunts. One cage coon one hang up after that hunt her alone
GrNt pkc ch pro hunt finalist high scoring redbone at American days twice national days twice winter classic once Wigland Creek Royal Flush. Just took her hunting and shot a coon and rest was history
GrNt pkc ch High Hopes hootie SS finalist carried him hunting and shot out a coon rest was history
Now 15 years plus after the last of the above I got ntch silver ch it’s Dixie’s turn. No hang ups no cage coon just carried her hunting and shot a coon.

So back to my original thought. Great ones are born common are trained.

I have wasted lots of steps on worthless junk also thinking I could train them. What I learned was the only ones I could train was the ones smart enough to want to learn

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Life is too short to hunt a sorry dog
Life is even shorter if you lie to yourself about what you packing

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Each dog is different . If the human can't connect w/ the dog it's the humans fault...
If the human connects w/ the dog it's still the humans doing.
A dog doesn't make a man. The "DOGMAN" makes the dog .
It's a connection/ an understanding betwix the two..to get the most out of an elite hound.
To set a dog before a Man is low IQ. IMO.
There's no cookie cutter way, to train an elite hound.
This I can say,for sure, it takes time or $.
Basic training of a coon treer is a no brainier....
Takeing a hound to the nxt. level(s) separates "dogmen"....

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Each dog is different . If the human can't connect w/ the dog it's the humans fault...
If the human connects w/ the dog it's still the humans doing.
A dog doesn't make a man. The "DOGMAN" makes the dog .
It's a connection/ an understanding betwix the two..to get the most out of an elite hound.
To set a dog before a Man is low IQ. IMO.
There's no cookie cutter way, to train an elite hound.
This I can say,for sure, it takes time or $.
Basic training of a coon treer is a no brainier....
Takeing a hound to the nxt. level(s) separates "dogmen"....

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It sounds like u were with me last nite.lol

Yea sitting on a log waiting on the young dog to learn it's craft...mind u I ain't teaching that dog nutting, it's learning on it's own....I'm just giving it an opportunity and being patience .

Then there's the waiting for the rifraf "xcusec my terminology " to go home...so one can go hunting.....usually I roll out of bed midnite by that time the ground is frosted this time of year, and hit it till the deer hunters start sturring........
That time of hunting one can really see "great dog" work...

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It looks like dogwhisperer and highridge have been around the block a few times

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by high ridge
[B]A few I trained or helped train
GrNt PK$ Gold Ch final 4 truck hunt finalist SS AKC reserve national. He was trained by simply carrying him hunting. He was born. No cage coons no hang ups
GrNt silver Ch AKC National ch multiple pro hunt finalsbells Boyd creek pride. One cage coon then had to keep him bumped with collar on off game
GrNt pk$ ch top 16 autumn oaks multiple semi of pro hunts. One cage coon one hang up after that hunt her alone
GrNt pkc ch pro hunt finalist high scoring redbone at American days twice national days twice winter classic once Wigland Creek Royal Flush. Just took her hunting and shot a coon and rest was history
GrNt pkc ch High Hopes hootie SS finalist carried him hunting and shot out a coon rest was history
Now 15 years plus after the last of the above I got ntch silver ch it’s Dixie’s turn. No hang ups no cage coon just carried her hunting and shot a coon.

Highridge now that is answering the question I asked. If starting them by themselves with no or little cage coon was the way the best dogs were started and at least in the cases you mentioned it certainly was. It would be very helpful to know if this is true with the majority.

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When you say you just carried them to the woods. Can I ask if you carried them to the woods with another dog some or all alone all the time?

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Some guys can get a dog to do this and others will never be able to do it.. good fact!

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Wow if you can tell all that by looking at a picture I need to send you pics of mine lol might save me from wasting a year of my time.

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When you say you just carried them to the woods. Can I ask if you carried them to the woods with another dog some or all alone all the time?

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You are most correct. As I once saw a meme, there are men with dogs and there are dog men.

Very few dog men anymore. They have either passed on or quit. Very few in today’s time no what it is to strap a rifle on their back, lace up their boots, and go set on a log.
Most do not know anything more than what they read or hear someone talk about.
They push buttons instead of walking in on that pup to see the predicament it’s in they push buttons because in their mind they want a pup or dog to do one thing but the area the animal is in will not allow it.
They push buttons to fix 14 flaws in one night just to confuse the dog at every corner.
I am no dog man. I have dogs but I have been blessed to know many dog men and I do try to mimic their actions instead of making up my own. I never believed in reinventing the wheel

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When I start hunting a dog with other dogs it’s not to make them independent or even to make them be quicker or better than the ones I take them with.

I take them with dogs to train or help them understand to tree coon with the screwing up pressure of the dogs around it.

Most dogs today tree a coon alone but when you drop them with 3-4 others they want to join in the party.
I try to keep their mind off the party.

When they consistently can tree coons while others running junk, chasing them all over the woods, leaving trees, hitting up on river banks, treeing in holes and brush piles then I take them back to themselves for awhile.

After that I feel I got a dog to go to town with.

Most get a dog to tree coons but they don’t get the dog where the pressures of the others don’t influence them
To me that is the greatest task. I don’t want to say well if that dog hadn’t done that mine wouldn’t have. I want mine to have its own mind and not be influenced negatively by the lot.
It don’t matter if I score a 1000 points if I can’t keep them and training them to keep the points is the hardest part.

ALL OF ABOVE IS MY OPINION ONLY AND THAT AND $1 WILL BY YOU A CUP OF COFFEE. IN NO WAY AM I SAYING MY METHODS ARE CORRECT. THEY JUST WORK FOR ME. THERE ARE WAY BETTER DOG TRAINERS OUT THERE THAN I.

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When I start hunting a dog with other dogs it’s not to make them independent or even to make them be quicker or better than the ones I take them with.

I take them with dogs to train or help them understand to tree coon with the screwing up pressure of the dogs around it.

Most dogs today tree a coon alone but when you drop them with 3-4 others they want to join in the party.
I try to keep their mind off the party.

When they consistently can tree coons while others running junk, chasing them all over the woods, leaving trees, hitting up on river banks, treeing in holes and brush piles then I take them back to themselves for awhile.

After that I feel I got a dog to go to town with.

Most get a dog to tree coons but they don’t get the dog where the pressures of the others don’t influence them
To me that is the greatest task. I don’t want to say well if that dog hadn’t done





that mine wouldn’t have. I want mine to have its own mind and not be influenced








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Billy, I like your way of thinking, when you get one the way you describe you have both a winner and a pleasure dog. Dave
It don’t matter if I score a 1000 points if I can’t keep them and training them to keep the points is the hardest part.

ALL OF ABOVE IS MY OPINION ONLY AND THAT AND $1 WILL BY YOU A CUP OF COFFEE. IN NO WAY AM I SAYING MY METHODS ARE CORRECT. THEY JUST WORK FOR ME. THERE ARE WAY BETTER DOG TRAINERS OUT THERE THAN I.

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Thanks for the answers.
It's nice to hear from your experience.

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that's a good looking pup...

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Some guys can get a dog to do this and others will never be able to do it.. good fact!

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Used to be that people would say young dogs needed to be started with an old slow pop trainer. My Dad told me that if a young dog wasn’t putting it on the old slow pup trainer in just a few hunts then you probably didn’t have anything that was going to turn out to be special. I always started dogs with good dogs and found out the special ones would show there abilities real quick and those were the ones that I concentrated on. I just needed to see the “special” in them and then I could work the kinks out of them. One of my favorites was when I hunted with a guy one year and he told me I needed to shoot a dog I was hunting but when I hunted the dog with the same guy the following year he wanted to know where I had got such a nice hound at. Took me a little while to convince him that was the same dog he told me needed shot the previous year.

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Some hounds aren’t hunted hard enough to give them the experience to develop but very few dogs of any breed have the tools to become exceptional regardless of how they’re hunted


Mr Cannon nailed it as usual. It takes exceptional genetics, as well as extraordinary effort. Secretariat would have never won a single race without both his breeding, and time on the track training.


I would also add that I've never in my lifetime trained 2 dogs exactly alike. Training was tailored to each one, regardless of the job I was training it to preform. That being said the one common part of the training was hunting them exclusively alone for long periods of time.

LOOSER came to me wild and unruly. As apt to go 5 miles to see what was 5 miles away, as he was to tree right beside the truck. I put him in places where he HAD to go deep to even find a track for months straight, then would drop him on top of one when he was worn down. It worked. His sister, crank/battle cry was the most bidable hound I ever trained. All she ever needed was to understand what you wanted. I never once had to correct that dog for the same mistake twice. 2 totally different hounds from the exact same cross.

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Some hounds aren’t hunted hard enough to give them the experience to develop but very few dogs of any breed have the tools to become exceptional regardless of how they’re hunted


Mr Cannon nailed it as usual. It takes exceptional genetics, as well as extraordinary effort. Secretariat would have never won a single race without both his breeding, and time on the track training.


I would also add that I've never in my lifetime trained 2 dogs exactly alike. Training was tailored to each one, regardless of the job I was training it to preform. That being said the one common part of the training was hunting them exclusively alone for long periods of time.

LOOSER came to me wild and unruly. As apt to go 5 miles to see what was 5 miles away, as he was to tree right beside the truck. I put him in places where he HAD to go deep to even find a track for months straight, then would drop him on top of one when he was worn down. It worked. His sister, crank/battle cry was the most bidable hound I ever trained. All she ever needed was to understand what you wanted. I never once had to correct that dog for the same mistake twice. 2 totally different hounds from the exact same cross.

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