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This whole registry comes down to if you want "pure" lines or breeds, or if you want to focus solely on ability. I've seen lots of PR bred dogs who's only decent trait was they had solid papers. If there is a requirement for single reg hounds, why isn't there one for PR bred ones. I think for any dog to be reg it should have to show some ability (BTW I don't know what would be a good way to measure that). You get your puppy papers until the dog shows something and then you'd be able to register it.

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.........Stamp the Papers As Performance Tested Proven (or something like that) Just add Performance Proven "Big Game Hound"

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I figure most people on here's intentons were good. We all genuinly would like to see good non registered dogs (purebred) being able to be registered. Using the same process in which is already in place. If there is a problem with the program as it is, well, then by all means improve it.

But I truly do feel a dog should be able to do it alone. I do not support the "pack" therory. To me a pack proves nothing. I've seen alot of dogs be "oart of the pack" or "go with a pack" and stand in the road when turned out alone.


On another note; I don't see the point in Cross Breeds being registered, when you put two different breeds of dogs in a pen to mate, you fully understand they are not registerable, and never should be. Each breed is the way it is for a reason, and I see no need for cross breeding, rarely do you get "the best of both" as so many try and achieve. Not saying that they don't make nice dogs, but I'd rather find a pure bred dog that can do the job.

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I may be wrong but they are already dogs that are half walker and half english registered and grntch I do beleave.I have seen them in the bloodlines and I hunted with one at southern english days this year.

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I may be wrong but they are already dogs that are half walker and half english registered and grntch I do beleave.I have seen them in the bloodlines and I hunted with one at southern english days this year.

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anybody that has a pure bred hound that doesnt trace its ancestry back to one of those dreaded single registered hounds -- raise your hand-



i cant see any hands -- lol




put cassandra in charge i agree with bout everything she said -


put pacojack and jackbob on the comittee-- cause i think it should be for special dogs only--- let the best in-- we dont need any more average registered dogs-

i think that substituting bear lion or bobcat instead of a coon is a no brainer-




the one dog thing is a tough one - a good dog can make any dog look good- but i know of some dogs that never treed a bear or a bobcat alone that i wouldnt be ashamed to feed-

i wouldnt bother to register a dog that wouldnt at least cold trail and run its own-


i guess the percentage of dogs that could tree their own bear on any one day test would be pretty low-

in some places the % that could tree their own bobcat on any one day would also be pretty low -


so i say --- register them--- after considering ---"expert testimony "


and the expert cant be related-- or buddys -- with dogs owner lol -- maybe a panel of "experts " - take a sealed ballot vote--


there are people that i know are honest and if they told me a dog was great - was purebred and should be registered -id take their word for it-

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Good post Pete

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Redwood -

" We all genuinly would like to see good non registered dogs (purebred) being able to be registered. "

If you buy a dog without papers , how can you be sure that it is purebred?

" I don't see the point in Cross Breeds being registered, when you put two different breeds of dogs in a pen to mate, you fully understand they are not registerable....... "

The same thing can be said about buying a dog with no papers.

I don't see any difference in registering a dog without papers or registering a cross-bred dog. BUT , like I said before , if you allow folks to register a crossbred dog as a big game dog , they won't be " sneaking " it into one of the other breeds.
To me , a good dog is a good dog. Whether it is crossbred or purebred. I just prefer to hunt dogs with papers.

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And while we're at it , let's talk " purebred " dogs........
What is a purebred dog?

I'm going to use UKC here , but I'm not complaining or putting UKC down in any way. You can put in any KC you want , it's all the same.

A purebred dog is just a dog that meets a certain color standard that has a piece of paper from UKC that lists it's acenstry , according to the owner. Most times it's right , but sometimes it's not. There is no way that UKC can verify this.
You can have the dogs DNA'd , but still , UKC cannot even guarantee that that is right. Again , all they can do is go by what is sent to them.

Bottom line is , we're paying UKC to keep breeding records because we don't want to do it ourselves.
So , I don't see anything wrong with the crossbreed guys doing the same thing , paying UKC to keep their breeding records for them.

I would rather UKC stamps a dog as a " game getter " than to just register it because you know it's ancestors.

I believe you'd have a better chance of getting a " game getter " from a 3 generation pedigree of proven " game getters " than you would from a 3 gen. , non-proven , All Grand pedigree.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by jackbob42
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Bottom line is , we're paying UKC to keep breeding records because we don't want to do it ourselves.
So , I don't see anything wrong with the crossbreed guys doing the same thing , paying UKC to keep their breeding records for them.

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Good point Bob

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I'll tell you one thing that's interesting about purebredness (if that's even a word, lol). Our DNA lab has a test now where they can differentiate between breeds based on dna profiling. They have established breed markers for many of the popular breeds of dogs but not sure if they have coonhounds yet. Pretty sure they don't. But the point is, from a dna test, they can determine the % of pure breeding on an individual dog. What would you guess is about the highest percentage of pure breeding they are finding in some of these established breeds like Labs, Goldens, etc.? Try about 80%. That's quite an eye opener. But the possibilities of a test like this for the future of single registration is very cool.

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I'll tell you one thing that's interesting about purebredness (if that's even a word, lol). Our DNA lab has a test now where they can differentiate between breeds based on dna profiling. They have established breed markers for many of the popular breeds of dogs but not sure if they have coonhounds yet. Pretty sure they don't. But the point is, from a dna test, they can determine the % of pure breeding on an individual dog. What would you guess is about the highest percentage of pure breeding they are finding in some of these established breeds like Labs, Goldens, etc.? Try about 80%. That's quite an eye opener. But the possibilities of a test like this for the future of single registration is very cool.

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The process of Single Registration would help those who wanted to use it, And have no effect on those who would not allow it into their program.

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That it takes six generations for a dog to become PR. bred.
However I would think that anyone breeding a Good female would do enough research before hand to know more than a 3 generation pedigree on a dog they are paying a stud fee to breed to.
And No
I would not have any problem telling anyone the history
as I know it, Behind any of my hounds.
Your Doubt, About that means nothing. Because so far as I know You have never spoken to me, therefore have no way to have a informed opinion. A opinion based on Nothing , Is a Empty opinion at Best, A Childish slur at worst.
Only you know what your opinion was meant to be. When that opinion comes to me or my hounds. I really wish you would keep either to your self..
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-seen some great dogs that were purebred as any that were just never registered-


i had a buddy - thats dead now --- he could afford to buy dogs that werent for sale-- and he did --

he wouldnt bend over to pick up the papers if he dropped them-

lot of the older guys i hunted with then had the same attitude-

there was some awful good genes or bloodlines lost by them not keeping up with papers -they werent lazy-- they just didnt care

all my dogs are registered - -or at least elligible -- lol , - so i dont have a dog in this fight

i did start out with a dog with yellow papers --

and am hunting her great grandpups now-


i cant wait till they come out with this purebred DNA test for coonhounds--

todd--i thought about this and you will have to explain this to me---

--what purebred dog do they use to compare ?


80 % of what ?



jackbob-- , lets not register "game getters"-- just come up with dna test for game getters


save a lot of time -- lol

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And No
I would not have any problem telling anyone the history
as I know it, Behind any of my hounds.
Your Doubt, About that means nothing. Because so far as I know You have never spoken to me, therefore have no way to have a informed opinion. A opinion based on Nothing , Is a Empty opinion at Best, A Childish slur at worst.
Only you know what your opinion was meant to be. When that opinion comes to me or my hounds. I really wish you would keep either to your self..
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Due you have a copy of the "Study" on this, Or can you get one. I would love to have a look at the Control group and the break down. I have not read about this anywhere yet.
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jackbob-- , lets not register "game getters"-- just come up with dna test for game getters


save a lot of time -- lol

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But , for what it's worth , sometimes you don't have to talk to someone to have an " informed " opinion , all you have to do is listen. [/B][/QUOTE]


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You have not only listen, But Understand. I think most of us need to know the man behind the words in order to understand what he meant when saying them.
That's why I said "Only You knew what your opinion meant". I did not take liberties in interpiting what you said.
By this post you have shown me more of your intentions. I hope that you also understand my intenitions better also.


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