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john Duemmer
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Re: Re: CUP OF TEA

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Guys like Duemmer spend as much or more time on the litter of impact posts than anyone and has never said a decent thing about them yet he just can't seem to resist reading and posting. I realize he's never hunted with any dog from the litter if impact nor their offspring. I'm beginning to think he's NOT. A hater but rather a closet LOVER of the litter and can't get enough of them!

Not true i have said they are beautiful looking hounds. I dont love them or hate them, and its true i have never seen one in the woods. I attend and compete in a couple hunts a week UKC, and PKC and if they were out their competing and earning respect in the hunts that wouldnt be the case.
Your reading comprehension skills could use some work, No bashing in any of my posts, just a healthy dose of skeptisism in reguards to breeding paper dogs.

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Re: Re: Re: CUP OF TEA

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Not true i have said they are beautiful looking hounds. I dont love them or hate them, and its true i have never seen one in the woods. I attend and compete in a couple hunts a week UKC, and PKC and if they were out their competing and earning respect in the hunts that wouldnt be the case.
Your reading comprehension skills could use some work, No bashing in any of my posts, just a healthy dose of skeptisism in reguards to breeding paper dogs.

John you make me laugh you dont like the litter of impact without question and everyone that reads your post is aware of it but you keep telling it like you want........it's your story. You after all are helping to keep the litter of impact one of if not the most talked about topics on the entire UKC message board and I for one appreciate your help and dedication.

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WE have a female off of DR. LAW X POISON IVY, We got her at 10 months old, she ran and treed the 2nd night in the woods with our BETTY female and never seen a coon . we turn one loose tonight. she caught that coon as it was going up the tree. she fought it like a grown dog, didn't mean for this to happen ,but it did.she can flat run a track, we hung the coon up for her ,just wanted to show what kind of mouth she has. and she is much louder that this.
just a short video

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quote:
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WE have a female off of DR. LAW X POISON IVY, We got her at 10 months old, she ran and treed the 2nd night in the woods with our BETTY female and never seen a coon . we turn one loose tonight. she caught that coon as it was going up the tree. she fought it like a grown dog, didn't mean for this to happen ,but it did.she can flat run a track, we hung the coon up for her ,just wanted to show what kind of mouth she has. and she is much louder that this.
just a short video

Very nice, they do say the female contributes a lot more than the male and those valley creek boys tend to hunt nice dogs.

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Carl Rooster was in Tx. There are several litters there. History Nut can probably help you!

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Tommy's computor is going bonkers so he asked me to post this for him so I quote him as follows :
Thank You to all who have supported this endeavour to bring the Lipper blood and traits that are so sorely missed in todays hounds back to the front . I thank also the bashers , haters , and nay sayers who have kept it so interesting and fun for 30 years . It is and always will be a big part of Lippers legacy .

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quote:
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Tommy's computor is going bonkers so he asked me to post this for him so I quote him as follows :
Thank You to all who have supported this endeavour to bring the Lipper blood and traits that are so sorely missed in todays hounds back to the front . I thank also the bashers , haters , and nay sayers who have kept it so interesting and fun for 30 years . It is and always will be a big part of Lippers legacy .

Sorry Tom I just now went back and saw You got it on here . And for Mr Duemmer I have 3 8 month olds that hunt spring super stakes that if you come to the hunt I would be very happy to meet you and maybe we can make a hunt or draw out together . They are out of Dr Law and 2 of them are super freaks and the other it seems rediculous to say hes a slow starter because he didnt start treeing until 8 months . Ive heard about dogs treeing coons without the older dogs at 5 months but these are the first Ive seen . They will get in country and are good about having the coon . I didnt have a problem breeding to an untitled dog as Law was put in a couple of hunts at 9 months old before Tom began struggling with his health . Tom thought he could win . He didnt have to prove it to me as Lipper and his offspring have already proven to me that they can reproduce . Ive hunted with pups from Law ,Rooster , amd Lippers Lady and have yet to see one from them that wasnt impressive . Remember this name Bear Bottoms Thunder Struck. He will be a winner and is truely amazing . Lighten up these pups are young but they are coming be patient why else would there be so much buzz about them if they were not so impressive to their owners . Im a Lipper lover and fan of the impact litter as a Lipper dog was the first dog that ignited my passion for coonhunting and the dogs from the litter of impact have rejuvenated me . Lipper dogs appeal to competition hunters, pleasure hunters, big game . Dogs from this line have kept me in superior coon hounds for 30 years . I have a great deal of respect for many of promoted stud dogs during this time period and the current studs most of them if not all find Lipper in their roots . Tom has told me You have had good dogs he doesnt hate on anyone I hope Law and the rest of this litter are sucessful . Maybe we can have a Law hunt like the Mojo Madness I think the way these guys stand behind their dogs is awesome. Im not a rich man and cant afford a handler nor would I want one no offense to guys that do that . But if I can win with dogs from this line theyre pretty darn good . Im enjoying the party !

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Cleo
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Well said Mike.

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mahicks31
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Almost sounded intelligent Mike! Lol. My poor dogs are also handicapped by a sorry handler yet they still manage to win one every now & then.

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quote:
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Just truth

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Almost sounded intelligent Mike! Lol. My poor dogs are also handicapped by a sorry handler yet they still manage to win one every now & then.

Lol . Well my wife is probably still upset with You as it was a Lipper pup from Your female Honey that caused this addiction haha! That Lipper crossed with the Spring Creek Rock females was spot on . Good luck and continued success with your dogs . I gotta get busy and win my $100 on a few pups then I can focus on UKC so I can get those precious titles some want to see . I value them also but Im sure they will get knocked because they were won locally . When my dog earns a title boy it earned it and that means alot to me . I gotta learn how to get pics on here I have some videos and pics Id like to share .

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Haters Gona Hate

I usually don't get on here & comment much but I just want to add a simple thought:
If you all would stop responding to all the "negative" comments & only respond to the "positive" then the "haters & nay sayers" will eventually go away because they don't have anyone to argue with them...
They are what I like to call the "Pot Stirrers"!!! If you argue with them then they have accomplished their mission...
Just my two cents worth...

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Real Genetics OR Old Wives Tales

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Very nice, they do say the female contributes a lot more than the male

UNLESS I am missing something about genetics WOULDN'T this be an old wives tale?

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Re: Real Genetics OR Old Wives Tales

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UNLESS I am missing something about genetics WOULDN'T this be an old wives tale?

If it is, then your stud dog should have produced more than 5% no matter what it was bred to. I must have read 1000X on there that lippers numbers would have been better had he not been bred to "every sorry female that would stand"......yet now when its convenient you want to give the male more credit and the female less. Typical propaganda, were used to it.

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Re: Re: Real Genetics OR Old Wives Tales

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If it is, then your stud dog should have produced more than 5% no matter what it was bred to. I must have read 1000X on there that lippers numbers would have been better had he not been bred to "every sorry female that would stand"......yet now when its convenient you want to give the male more credit and the female less. Typical propaganda, were used to it.

Read Some on genetics, Good Night Irene

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Re: Re: Re: Real Genetics OR Old Wives Tales

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Read Some on genetics, Good Night Irene

Yes truly thats the answer. In how many years of breeding coondogs with terribly mixed results you have suddenly discoved the key secrets in a little lab in Texas. In all the litters that have been raised in the last 70 years nobody ever thought of looking into genetics. What a novel idea. Can't wait to read your book, thats what I am really waiting for.

With this surefire system now in place are you planning on producing what, 50% out of any female...and will they have to be titled to count as a success as any other dog would or will you open your own facility where a dog can be evaluated privately and deemed acceptable by a panal of experts?

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Im just curious and not attacking Ron . My question to You is if Lippers percentage are too low for You , what strain do you personally hunt and what percentage does that stud have . I know its tough to gauge as all dont get competition hunt , some are big game hunted . I know Rat and Trackman boast good numbers as well as Sackett etc . Tell us what You have so we can party with You . I find it difficult to believe that a dog can sire 5000 pups and the public did not approve or desire to own them . I bet a majority of the owners loved them and Im certain there were some that didnt . No disrespect intended at all but I really want to know what your hunting ?

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PLOTT

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Im just curious and not attacking Ron . My question to You is if Lippers percentage are too low for You , what strain do you personally hunt and what percentage does that stud have . I know its tough to gauge as all dont get competition hunt , some are big game hunted . I know Rat and Trackman boast good numbers as well as Sackett etc . Tell us what You have so we can party with You . I find it difficult to believe that a dog can sire 5000 pups and the public did not approve or desire to own them . I bet a majority of the owners loved them and Im certain there were some that didnt . No disrespect intended at all but I really want to know what your hunting ?

You like those PLOTT dogs don't you Ron?

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quote:
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Im just curious and not attacking Ron . My question to You is if Lippers percentage are too low for You , what strain do you personally hunt and what percentage does that stud have . I know its tough to gauge as all dont get competition hunt , some are big game hunted . I know Rat and Trackman boast good numbers as well as Sackett etc . Tell us what You have so we can party with You . I find it difficult to believe that a dog can sire 5000 pups and the public did not approve or desire to own them . I bet a majority of the owners loved them and Im certain there were some that didnt . No disrespect intended at all but I really want to know what your hunting ?

Mike, no attacking taken at all and lets be very very clear, I have zero problem with Lipper and dogs out of Lipper. From all accounts when he produced a good one it was out of this world good and who wouldn't respect that? He has has had a profound effect on a breed of dogs and I am sure made a lot of jaws drop along the way. Would the typical lipper dog be my kind of dog? Not really as I don't have the big wide open spaces to hunt or the guts to break a hard going dog like some do.

Why do I respect Lipper? because he was a coondogs first and formost and was bred after he proved himself in the public arena as being such. People came to Lipper because of what he was, not what someone said he was. In a my mind, he EARNED that right. What I have issue with is pure biased promotion and breeding of dogs that are getting a "pass" because what they have in their veins. I dont' have a dog in the fight but I also dont' like as someone said earlier "having someone piss one my head and tell me its raining".......Thats all and thats it.

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Re: PLOTT

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You like those PLOTT dogs don't you Ron?

I don't like them...but they are what I hunt.

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I drew out with a nice Plott at Carthage Tx a month ago . That was the coolest dog . He was a coon getter also . I really enjoyed that hunt and hopefully made a life long friend . This dog was also used on Bear at one time . Im not color blind nor would I ever trash another mans dog or bloodline . I hope everyones happy with whats on the end of their leash . They are paying the feed bill . I still want to know the percentage ?

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9 Week Old Pup Barking - House's Lipper Treeing

Here is a video of a 9 week old pup barking out of one of the Litter Of Impact Dogs, hopefully in a few days I'll be able to put up a new video of him so you can actually see him. Here the mouth is getting larger as he gets older. Here is ALSO a audio of HOUSE'S LIPPER, the pups grand daddy.

Link to Video of Pup

http://youtu.be/cHEhsC2RvlE

Link to Audio Of House's Lipper Treeing

http://youtu.be/NGMtMLPDsoA

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quote:
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I drew out with a nice Plott at Carthage Tx a month ago . That was the coolest dog . He was a coon getter also . I really enjoyed that hunt and hopefully made a life long friend . This dog was also used on Bear at one time . Im not color blind nor would I ever trash another mans dog or bloodline . I hope everyones happy with whats on the end of their leash . They are paying the feed bill . I still want to know the percentage ?

Actually Mike that is very nice of you to say and I am glad you got to see a decent plott, not everyone can say that. What are you asking me percentage wise? I am simply not sure what you are asking.

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The sire of your dog . What percentage Nite CH did he sire . It seems to be important to alot of people but I bet in reality they saw a dog do something or a pup from him perform well . Basically I bet a persons decision to purchase a pup from a certain stud may not have had anything to do with percentages and most studs dont win big hunts but some do . Maybe its word of mouth titles etc . Pups are just a chance but I have definately improved as a trainer over 35 years and I realize I have made serious mistakes that cost me with dogs . Just curious as to why or how You chose the sire of Your dog . Ive also actually drawn some good Blueticks , English and a Black and Tan this year . Maybe this a subject for another thread but wonder how good the numbers are in those breeds . I can tell You Law was young but could run the hair off a coon and from what Ive seen from several different females hes really throwing good stuff that I cant wait to get into the hunts Im a believer a loyal friend of Tom and get fighting mad when comments or stabs like Ryan T are made and do look forward to meeting him one day lol . Its amazing the emotions that Lipper brings to some . I never hear haters dragging other studs from that era . Lipper must have spanked alot folks or took a lot of business from other stud owners . Even kids that werent even alive when he was around are negative or repeat what they hear not even realizing their dog comes from him hehe . Good luck with your Plotts ! I hope You start likeing them better as I am a fan of the one I hunted with ,

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