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Okay maybe I am missing the total big picture on this.

All this is going to do is single register dogs on "their" game instead of a coon..... Right???

So the people not for this should be against single registering in general and arguing with the breed associations to get rid of it.. Right???

And all those who are wanting a big game registery, which is fine... but what about your UKC registered "coonhounds" that are run on big game.... They are coonhounds according to their papers, so you shouldn't be able to register them with the big game registery right?

I am not trying to start any arguements, just see things from someone else's point of view on this...

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If you really care so much about having registered dogs why didnt you start with registered dogs and keep them that way?

Some folks got registred dogs a long time ago and have worked hard to keep them that way. You can do the same! If you want a registered dog then go the same expense and effort the rest of us have to get them and keep them.

Those who have paid the bills of UKC for so many years ought to be rewarded by keeping those who didnt pay the bills on the outside.

I hope the NPHA never opens single registration. JMO.

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If you really care so much about having registered dogs why didnt you start with registered dogs and keep them that way?

Some folks got registred dogs a long time ago and have worked hard to keep them that way. You can do the same! If you want a registered dog then go the same expense and effort the rest of us have to get them and keep them.

Those who have paid the bills of UKC for so many years ought to be rewarded by keeping those who didnt pay the bills on the outside.

I hope the NPHA never opens single registration. JMO.

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And that is fine.. your opinion... BUT lots of the old timer big gamesmen did not fill out those papers and send them back. That is just the way they were.... AND if I could find something registered that was as nice as the dreaded "grade" dogs that I own, then hell I would own them... But for us, we have tried lots of different dogs and nothing beats what I am feeding for us.. And because the owner of the sire and dam of my dogs didn't want to register my dog's parents.. my dog isn't eligible... SO that is what my point is on this..

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not if the hounds are ENGLISH, TREEING WALKER, REDBONE, BLACK & TAN, PLOTT or BLUETICK because these hounds are COONHOUNDS and they are not called COONHOUNDS for no reason.

If people want bear dogs then someone needs to come up with a bear dog breed, not take a COONHOUND breed and make them run off game. I believe that UKC wants people to promote the breeds and do what is in the best interest of the breed. Changing a COONHOUND over to a dear, bear, cat or anything other than coon dog does not promote the COONHOUND breed properly.



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Melanie I am looking at a bigger picture rather then your one dog issue. You buy and raise hounds with no regard to bloodlines, you cross blueticks on walkers, that is not how I operate. As you are well aware you bought a pup from our bloodlines because you seen how well they are doing on big game..... no other reason.

I buy, sell, raise and run hounds that are based off the old Bozo blood whenever I can find it because I have found that line to work the best for me over walker lines of today that I have tried or hunted with.

Introduction of unknown blood from several different breeds into one select breed sours the integrity of the breed. Yes we have the ability to pick and choose what we want to buy or breed to but for what logical reason is anyone wanting to re-invent the breeds with all this new unknown blood.

I can careless what UKC wants to call it personally. I have never sat here and preached coonhound vs big game hound, when I reference those terms it is merely from what the hounds are being used for, not labeling them as I have been quoted by others.

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All breeds were a mixture of other breeds at some point in their development.

can u give me a date when they became pure and stopped developing --

lol naa // just kidding --





What kind of dogs were the two got off the Ark? Sam said he thought you might have been there?

well if i was there i cant remember -


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Melanie I am looking at a bigger picture rather then your one dog issue. You buy and raise hounds with no regard to bloodlines, you cross blueticks on walkers, that is not how I operate. As you are well aware you bought a pup from our bloodlines because you seen how well they are doing on big game..... no other reason.

I buy, sell, raise and run hounds that are based off the old Bozo blood whenever I can find it because I have found that line to work the best for me over walker lines of today that I have tried or hunted with.

Introduction of unknown blood from several different breeds into one select breed sours the integrity of the breed. Yes we have the ability to pick and choose what we want to buy or breed to but for what logical reason is anyone wanting to re-invent the breeds with all this new unknown blood.

I can careless what UKC wants to call it personally. I have never sat here and preached coonhound vs big game hound, when I reference those terms it is merely from what the hounds are being used for, not labeling them as I have been quoted by others.

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This was my responce on another forum

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The western guys sure are pitchin a fit over it.Apperently they have a problem with a big game dog havin the coonhound on the breed name ie-Bluetick Coonhound,English Coonhound ect. :? :? :?

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I already read the posts Drew and so you know its much deeper then a name issue.

I guess in all fairness Melanie is absolutley correct and it is about single registration in general. The current single registration is a joke and why should we promote it even more with allowing more crossbred hounds to single register under another breed.

As for Pete and his development dates.....well being that you date back to the Arc I can understand the confussion, LOL

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you are right it is much deeper than a name issue. It is a breed and what the breed was intended for when UKC recognized it issue

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Spanky

I guess in all fairness Melanie is absolutley correct and it is about single registration in general. The current single registration is a joke and why should we promote it even more with allowing more crossbred hounds to single register under another breed.

Spanky
I think you have hit the nail on the head. If the goal is to close Single registration thats one to take up with the Breed Associations.
However as it stands now. Several if not all breeds are open to Single Registration.
The question is should the Big Game hunters who wish to Single Register their hounds be permitted to prove hunting abilities on the game those dogs are being hunted on, Or should they have to test those dogs on game they may have never been exposed to.
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The question is should the Big Game hunters who wish to Single Register their hounds be permitted to prove hunting abilities on the game those dogs are being hunted on, Or should they have to test those dogs on game they may have never been exposed to.
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They were all grade dog's when they started out way ,way ,back in the day.so whats it matter.

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Surprised that you would miss the point!!
However I would say that if UKC registered Running Walkers that would be the breed. If the dog Treed the Deer I would say Register him AS "One Of a Kind". LMAO
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ROTFLMAO

that was funny Jess.

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Sometimes these things get to Heated, We all needed to Laugh.
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your right about that.

Sometimes I just like playing Devils Advocate to see what kind of responses I can get people to come up with.

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It took me a minute to catch what you were up to. Then I started to Laugh and have not quit laughing yet.
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took me an hour to read but it sure enough made me smile a few times, great read

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I think the cart is being put in front of the horse on this one.

I have a nice little English female that is a heck of a water dog. I do not want this dog running coons. I have always had UKC registered hounds for coon and big game hunting.

I wish UKC would allow big game events. The water race could be the same except have a bear cub or a cat in the cage.

You could run a field trial the same way. How about a hog bay? You could put a hog in a cage and count barks like a treeing contest.

If there were some games to play with our big game hounds maybe a few more big game hunters would register their dogs.

If that became popular..... single registration?????

I do not see any possibility of having a proving grounds like the Nite Hunts for big game hounds. Big game hunting is just not like coonhunting, but I do see opportunity to play some games and promote UKC registered big game dogs.

Let's face it, UKC is the unofficial registry of big game hounds. I wonder if UKC realizes how many hounds they register that are not used for coonhunting?

I see a market that could be tapped and a service that could be provided. I think that needs to come along with offering single registration on big game.
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I wish UKC would allow big game events. The water race could be the same except have a bear cub or a cat in the cage.

You could run a field trial the same way. How about a hog bay? You could put a hog in a cage and count barks like a treeing contest.

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if you have any dogs that can tree a deer -- i want one --

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Kyle,UKC does allow the use of bear lion bobs scent in field trials.Our Bear hunters asso just had a UKC Lic bear field trial this past may!

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Single registration as it is now is solely for the purpose of letting a non-papered dog who meets the breed standards AND CAN TREE THEIR OWN COON into the registry to hopefully bring something good into the breed for coonhunting. I don't think allowing dogs in that have not been used for coon and never ever may be used for coon would do that program any good for what it was intended.

The other side is I can see where a Big Game Registry would allow the breeding records of Big Game dogs to be kept and pedigree's issued regardless of a dog's back ground. Possibly even Championship degrees earned at Big Game Events.

Dog's that are already registered as coonhounds should'nt have a problem going either or BOTH ways.

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