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How to stop covering

I have 26 month old dog that does real well by himself . He will get treed and stay . I have waited more than hour many times , but when he is hunted with another with dog he becomes an idiot and wants to cover no matter what . I've tried shocking tying back and all the other methods I know but he wont leave and or stop . Have been singling him out since 12 months . The big problem is its getting worse.

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Patch woods cut him first and wait till he trees and go to him . Have your buddy with his slick treeing idiot go to the other end of the woods and get his treeing . As soon as yours even makes a move to leave show him who is in charge , then talk him up and make sure you let him know you want him to tree by himself! That's how I would do it !

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I would be real careful to not be too hard on him. He is still young. I think you need to hunt him with other dogs once and awhile and slowly apply gentle but consistent correction. I would continue to hunt him by himself alot too. You could really screw him up if he doesn't understand what you are trying to correct him on. By the sounds of it, right now you have a coondog. The kind that tree for an hour by themselves at 26 mos don't grow like grapes.

My opinion is that pressure tree dogs are more born than made. But I have seen good trainers work some magic. Be patient and stick with him. If you don't see any progress, just sell him and start over...it beats ruining him.

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I have 26 month old dog that does real well by himself . He will get treed and stay . I have waited more than hour many times , but when he is hunted with another with dog he becomes an idiot and wants to cover no matter what . I've tried shocking tying back and all the other methods I know but he wont leave and or stop . Have been singling him out since 12 months . The big problem is its getting worse.

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A truly natural independant dog is rare more than most will admit. Most have some training put into them or have been chewed on a few times and just try to be by themselves.

The one thing I do to make them more independant is turn your buddy's dog loose let it get treed have your buddy go to tree tie up his dog. Then u turn yours loose if yours try's to cover instruct your buddy not to let yours cover under any circumstances( make it uncomfortable for him) if your dog has any brains he should realize that he needs to go get his own. A couple of these lesson's should be all it takes.

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A truly natural independant dog is rare more than most will admit. Most have some training put into them or have been chewed on a few times and just try to be by themselves.

The one thing I do to make them more independant is turn your buddy's dog loose let it get treed have your buddy go to tree tie up his dog. Then u turn yours loose if yours try's to cover instruct your buddy not to let yours cover under any circumstances( make it uncomfortable for him) if your dog has any brains he should realize that he needs to go get his own. A couple of these lesson's should be all it takes.

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Everybody's got one. just ask them. I've hunted all over the country in several hunted cast seen some of the best dogs go in the country of any breed there are very few that naturally try to get by themselves most are man made to a certain extent.

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Everybody's got one. just ask them. I've hunted all over the country in several hunted cast seen some of the best dogs go in the country of any breed there are very few that naturally try to get by themselves most are man made to a certain extent.

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how to stop covering this is touchy even for the best of dog trainers to much and you create a different problem or even ruin your dog i myself have never set a dog up guess i dont really try to change what they are and just deal with it but its interesting topic where are all the top trainers on this one?????
i dont mind dogs covering on coons but when they cover to just be treeing i have a problem with that and will fix that or ruin them one....

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I AGREE WITH YOU BOBBY THAT IS A TOUCHY SITUATION I DONT MIND MINE COVERING IF THEY RUN THE SAME TRACK TO THE SAME TREE AND HAVE A COON I WANT HAVE ONE PULLING AND COVERING ON A SLICK THE INDEPENDENCE IS BRED IN THEM HOUNDS AND LARRY IS CORRECT ON THAT PART VERY TOUCHY SUBJECT

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Hunters thanks cor the replies keep hunting those red dogs ! We are keep on till we getter done

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David i know you and your hunting buddy will get it figured out. Wish i would have kept your dogs littermate . Are you going to come to the RQE in Albany this weekend and are you coming to the Georgia State hunt next weekend. Talk to your hunting buddy and get back with me.

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Cant make the RQE but do plan on hunting Ga. St. Friday night . Our hunting buddy may hunt his dog also . We will get bacy with you.

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I own one that you couldn't take that junk ford you drive an pull him he is 19 months old I found it out when he was ten months old my cousins walker and rooster split treed and I told him shoot urs out first rooster never missed a beat didn't even act like another dog was even 40 yards over from him and needless to say he got his coon too now go breed to chase n get you a good stay put preasure tree dog

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How does the joe dog tree he on the wood type

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this is a good ? for the top trainers more answers guys i want to know

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How does the joe dog tree he on the wood type

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training ? to the top

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Just to let everbody no the ole fashion way help got treed twice at ga. st. by himself one a nasty tree about forty yards from a slick walker couldnt find bandit next hunted by mr slick and treed in a hollar didnt have any plus point but drove the cast

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Should den trees be a rare find?
Should a dog know when a coon runs to a den?
Did the dog do something wrong if they tree on a den?
Why would some dogs tree on dens and others not tree on dens?


I admit that I have never thought anything about a hound treeing on a den. I have had 2 dogs that were extremely accurate but they both treed dens frequently. I am thinking that some areas of the country may have many more den trees available than other areas of the country , OR , I have a lot to learn about hounds and I am willing to learn.

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Holding pressure and covering another dog is two separate topics. I expect a hound to run a track with other dogs and tree with them and I would actually be worried if i couldnt get my pup to hunt with another dog. How does these "independent" dogs get started anyway. I am not sure that "independent" means what it use to when i was child and hunted with meat dogs and I am not sure that winning has anything to do with real coondogs. A real coondog thinks about 3 things. COONS, COONS, and COONS and they don't care how they get em. A COONDOG is not thinking about getting alone or treeing his OWN coon. That's a learned behavior. Some hunters teach dogs to hunt alone and tree alone and mean dogs teach hounds to stay away from other dogs. Some of the aggressive ones may want the coon to themselves and try to run others off a tree, but hounds don't run away from a tree or a track just because another dog has it first. I don't believe that is in any bloodline because all animals will take the easy route if given a choice. People and animals would rather someone give them everything rather than earn it unless someone teaches them otherwise. You will learn to work if you suffer enough from poverty or if your father teaches you how to work and earn an honest living and a hound will learn to be alone all the time if he is taught to be alone all the time. I am surprised to here how sophisticated todays hounds have come to be. Are they actually polite enough to step aside when another hound finds a coon first? Do they actually think to themselves....... i best not intrude, i will be polite and find my own coon to tree....THAT comes from wanting to win a competition hunt and it is trained in my opinion. You can train a dog to fit your hunting style and you can train them to win hunts. It hasn't been long ago that competition hunters wanted mean dogs that would run everything off the tree and they won a lot of hunts with em. Everyone got tired of it and eventually cracked down on it and the mean hounds are dwindling away. Then everyone wanted a TREE DOG that would get treed quick. I will be glad when breeders finally get tired of looking at SLICK trees. NOW, everyone wants a loner and they are training them to win hunts. I just want a COONDOG and I don't mind making every tree with my buddies as long as we see a COON, COON, COON. I have been wrong before and I realize that I could be wrong about this.

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this post i dont think meant a dog finishing a track with other dogs it says covering
so i would think this dog is off away from other dogs til they tree then goes in and covers i would think that is not acceptable under any trainers hands is it ?
my dogs just do whatever most times but if they are somewhere else when a dog trees then they go into them i sure dont like it and if i'm pleasure hunting will more than likely show them or if i get to the tree then they come in they will not stay there period coon coon coon or not

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HE STILL HASNT COMPLETELY STOPPED AND ALL METHODS HAVE BEEN TRIED . HE IS SO EAGER TO GEF TREED THAT HE BACKS OTHERS WAY TO MUCH . I HAVE ALSO LEARNED IT DEPENDS ON THE OTHER DOG . SOME HE WILL COVER SOME HE WONT . HE LOOKS VERY GOOD BY HIMSELF BUT OFTEN LIKE A IDIOT WITH OTHER DOGS . EVEN THOUGH HE IS 27 MONTHS HE STILL ACTS LIKE A PUPPY . LOVES TO PLAY WITH OTHER DOGS AND IS EASILY INFLUENCED . ONLY TIME WILL.TELL . MAY NEVER MAKE A COMP DOG BUT ISNT TRASHY IN ANYWAY AND IS VERY ACCURATE WILL MAKE EXCELLENT PUP TRAINER AND PLEASURE DOG

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