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In Breading = Question

I would like to know if ther has been any crosses on father to -daughter = mother to son = or bro. to sister =& how did the litter turn out -as far as a ex. nice coonhound & did it title in night hunts ??

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Wasn't----

Ramblin Red Ace "REALLY" bred like that???

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OLD TIMER

You know old timer i am not sure, if thats true we maby should do more of that type of breading=???

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Mother to son

I think a couple of those dumb okies made a cross like that. Made a coondog. Titled early. Only one in the litter though. I would bank the dog will reproduce. Will grand easily. Just from what iv seen.

NTCH.Tar Rivers Rudys Trudy

NTCH. Tar Rivers Rudys Trudy is a mother to son cross. She qualified for the world hunt at 13mo. old made NTCH in 4 hunts with two first and a third. She was highest scoring dog of all the breeds with a combined score of 1075+ at the 2011 Grand American and was in the final 4. She had 2 other littermate sisters that were doing very well but died when they were less than a year old. There were only 3 pups in her litter.

Adrian Strickland

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Nite Ch, GrCH 2008 AKC World Champion Redbone Tar Rivers Rambling Red Rudy
Nite Ch Tar Rivers Rudy's Trudy "T"(2011 Grand American Final 4)


In Memory of
Ntch.Tar Rivers Red Alice
Gr Ch Hales Red Ruby
Gr Ch Tar Rivers Big Slick
Tar River Buddy

NITECH.GRCH.SIMPSONS COON CRAZY COOTER IS A MOTHER TO SON BREEDING,MOTHER GRNITECH.CH.BOMBERS Y2KD,SIRE AND HER SON GRNITECH.GRCH.HICKS RUSTY,HE IS THE ONLY SERVIVING PUP OF THE LITTER,KD WAS OLD AND ONLY HAD 3 PUPS THIS LITTER.HE HAS A LOAD OF ACE BREEDING IN HIM,HE IS JUST 2 YRS. OLD AND HAS NOT BRED ANY YET,BUT WE WILL PUT HIM TO THE TEST THIS YEAR AND SEE IF HE REPRODUCE'S GOOD,YEAH I'M A DUMB OKIE MIKE THAT IS WHY I TRY CRAZY THINGS LIKE THIS.

I am too leonard. I like crazy. Been called it enough times that im probably certifiable. Cooter is young still but im anxious to see what he reproduces.

we are going to make a cross like this shortly, as a matter of fact, we may be making this type cross several times in the near future. us bluegrass boys are as crazy as them okie guys. cooter will be in our future as well.

Re: Wasn't----

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Originally posted by OLD TIMER
Ramblin Red Ace "REALLY" bred like that???

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4TH PLACE R.Q.E 2010
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Adrian Strickland=your TRUDY-what type of
mouth on track, how deep does she get out,
what type of mouth on tree=

Leanord Simpson= your-COOTER-The same Q.
Just maby if the two above reds were crossed
would the pups b better than the parent"s ??

Mike G. what f. are u taking to Cooter-

I just think that (( maby )) ALL you guys that think you r crazy for doing this very tight
crosses arent as crazy as you think ,you might
just have somthing going here that is lacking in the redbones for a get deep, stay hooked,
type of a comp. Red=????????

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Mr.Wolter Trudy it a chop on the ground has an explosive scream fallowed by a triple chop and is a 110 bark per min tree dog. She will stay treed as long as it takes for you to get her, it took me 6 hours one night to get her she never missed a beat.She is tight on the ground but both her parents were, I like a tight mouth track dogs. She can tree coons around your feet or she can tree them 2 mi. deep. When you turn her loose you dont get het back until she is treed or you walk in there and make har come out. She does not like to quit. I have had walker men cuss her and her father because they hunted to hard. The main thing I love about her is she has more sense than most people have. I dont have to carry a leash with me to hunt her she handles like a dream. Now she is not perfect but I love her to death and have turned down a lot of money for her several times. I always tell them she was born in my yard and she will die here. I have plans down the road to breed he again and if both pups turn out to be coondogs. I want to make a half brother and sister cross with her pups. I hope this answers some of you questions.

Adrian Strickland

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Home of Grnitech.Neuse River Heat
NTCH.HEATS Neuse River Polly
Home of the Tar River Redbones:
Nite Ch, GrCH 2008 AKC World Champion Redbone Tar Rivers Rambling Red Rudy
Nite Ch Tar Rivers Rudy's Trudy "T"(2011 Grand American Final 4)


In Memory of
Ntch.Tar Rivers Red Alice
Gr Ch Hales Red Ruby
Gr Ch Tar Rivers Big Slick
Tar River Buddy

RON COOTER WILL GO DEEP LIKE HIS SIRE AND DAM,HE IS A GOOD STRIKE DOG,OPEN MOUTH ON TRACK,BIG SCREAMING BAWL ON TRACK,OPENS HERE AND THERE,NOT MOUTHY ON TRACK,REAL INDEPENDENT DOG,HUNTS OFF TO HIS-SELF,BIG LOUD BAWL LOCATE,GOOD STEADY LOUD CHOP TREEDOG,HE GETS TREED ALONE MOST THE TIME WITH THE MEAT,WILL NOT PULL OFF THE TREE,HE FINISHED TO NITECH. IN 4 HUNTS WITH 2.1ST AND A 2ND,HE GOT UNDER A COON ALONE AT LEAST OUNCE IN EACH OF HIS WINS,I WILL GET HIM BACK IN COMP. AND FINISH HIM TO GRNITE SOON,HIS SIRE DUAL GRAND HICKS RUSTY IS NOT GETTING VERY MUCH WOODS TIME BECAUSE I AM LIKING COOTER AND HIS 1/2 SISTER DAZY A LOT.

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Preston Owens
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Registered: May 2009
Location: Grant County AR
Posts: 701
Re: Article page 116 and 117 NRCA book 1981-82

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Originally posted by Preston Owens
submitted by Dow Hale:

........................Inbreeding
..........Dr. R.A. Guill geneticist

I think there is somewhat of a misconception about inbreeding and/ or linebreeding. Inbreeding is the breeding of two individuals more closely related than the average inbreeding of the population from which these two individuals were taken, Linebreeding is a mild form of inbreeding usually where one individual keeps showing up on one side of the pedigree.
I have read advertisements where people say they have bred granddaughter to a grandson of old so-and-so and the pups will have 50% of his blood. These pups infact would only be slightly over 3% inbred. Inbreeding is expressed as Inbreeding coefficents which are calculated by the formula Fx=(1/2)n-1(1Fa). These coefficients are only statistical values acquired by the number of generations the animal in question is removed from its common ancestor. These coeffients are theoretical values assuming every gene on every chromosome has equally 1/2 chance being passed on to the next generation.
When practicing an inbreeding program one should look very closely at the individuals used.For example,when breeding half brother to half sister,these two individuals should be very much like the common ancestor from which they got their outstanding characteristics.If one was like its dam and the other one is like its sire there is no need to inbreed these two individuals because you are not concentrating on the genes of one individual. Father to daughter,and son to dam are also methods of inbreeding.Here again,only breed a sire to his daughter if that daughter is very much like her sire and the same for son to dam.There would be no need to breed a son to his dam if the son was like his sire,you would not be accumulating the desirable genes of the dam which is the purpose of inbreeding. I would not advise Full Brother -Sister matings because you do not know which common ancestor you are accumulating the traits from the grandam or grandsire.
The following list shows some of the inbreeding coefficients of certain crosses: (assuming none of the ancestors are inbred)
1.Sire X Daughter .25
2.Son X Dam .25
3. Full Brother X full Sister .25 (.125 from each grandparent)
4.half brother X Half Sister .125
5.Sire x grandam .125
6. sire X granddaughter .125
7.nephew X Aunt .0625
8. Niece X Uncle .0625
9.Double first cousins .0625 (.0156 from each great grand parent)
10. first cousins .03125 (.0156 from two great grandparents)

I also think people are confusing open and silent trailing ability, which doesnt have anything to do with inbreeding other than the fact that you can increase or decrease this trait by inbreeding.Most dogs of the hound variety, can smell about the same,the difference is not in the nose of the dog but the excitability threshold. How much scent does it take to excite that individual before it will bark. This is the trait we are breeding for. The same type inheritance is involved in treeing. It is controlled by multiple genetic factors. A dog isnt either open or silent nor will he bark treed or wont bark treed! It just isnt that simple,there are multigenetic factors involved in these traits and we use the treeing because by in large those dogs that are real hard hunters,good strike dogs and trail dogs are not as good on the tree.Where as the the real good tree dogs are not quite as good on hustle,strike,and trail.We are beginning to break up these linkage groups because we are breeding lines of dogs that are better in striking,trailing,and treeing.
The reason it is difficult to get everything in one individual is because of the number of traits we are selecting for.Suppose we are selecting for tree barking,tree locating, tree holding (all of which are different) Hustle,quick strike,ability to move a track once struck,voice,right amount of voice depending on type of track,handling ability,conformation,color. This would put eleven where N is in the formula,that is if we give each trait the same weight on selection. Therefore X would equal .3, or we would expect this much progress in our breeding program if we had all these traits in our breeding stock. We dont make this much progress each generation,but we are making such faster advancements than in the past. One important Fact we cannot overlook,is the difference in the way people are handling and training these dogs. genetic makeup is only 50% and environment plays the other 50% of what each hound makes. So to have an outstanding hound,you must have one that has the genetic makeup to be outstanding, then the rest is left up to the trainer.


I thought this article was very well written and thought Id share it with all of yall. Ive read it countless times over the years to remind me how important the SELECTION process is. I hope yall enjoy it
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